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Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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The real story is India forcing its censorship regime on Canada by threatening employees in India.

Facebook should leave India or be forced by Canada and Europe not to cooperate with Indian demands.

Otherwise, the EU is letting India censor its own citizens.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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While I understand that "Khalistani" have significant doctrinal differences from "traditional Sikhs", it seems like claim the Khalistani are not Sikhs is like claiming that Mormons aren't Christians. It is a prejudice based exclusion of a group in contradiction of the groups own identity. I think explaining the differences between groups is totally worth wile, but denying the label seem like prejudice to me. I rather…

> like claiming that Mormons aren't Christians Do you agree the fundamental difference with Abrahamic religions is their choice of holy books and introduction of a holy prophet? The Jews have the Torah. The Christians had Jesus and appended the New Testament to the Torah, hence new religion, Christianity. The Muslims had Muhammad and appended the Quran to the Torah, hence new religion, Islam. The Mormons had Joseph S…

This is the evergreen debate about what makes one a "Christian." Is it simply one who worships Jesus Christ? Is it self-labeling as Christian? Is it adherence to some arbitrary specification that mandates a "Christian" must accept specific extra-biblical doctrines?

Depending on how you define Christian, it either includes or excludes Mormons. No discussion about "Are Mormons Christian?" is productive without first agreeing on a definition.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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No, it's an India problem. Insamuch as Facebook or capitalism is even at fault, it's specifically because they're either willing to comply with, or have been duped into complying with, India's attempts at censorship. The fact that BC Sikhs was eventually uncensored would indicate the latter, but India knows that they can try again, because... - Companies like Facebook are big, monopolistic platforms, which mean they…

Yeah, its both an India (increasingly authoritarian government) AND Facebook (unfettered capitalist) problem.

Could you expand a big on why Facebook is unfettered capitalist? For a while there the US president administration was communicating directly with facebook execs "flagging" posts that they wanted taken down, and demanding answers why certain posts were still up. That doesn't sound unfettered to me

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Excuse me.. Really? How? Pray tell. Read the Wikipedia link. There has been known and established link between Khalistani elements in Canada and Punjabi/Sikh organized crime.

Blaming it on criminal ties simply because the ethnicity of the victim? Are you serious? When is that okay? And for your information, I live in Vancouver. I'm aware of the organized crime issue here. But not every Sikh is a terrorist or criminal (I can't believe I have to say that). Suggesting they are criminally involved just because of their race is textbook racism.

> Blaming it on criminal ties simply because the ethnicity of the victim? … > But not every Sikh is a terrorist or criminal

Now you’re just making things up. Where in my comment did I say that every Sikh is a terrorist or criminal or I’m blaming criminal ties due to his ethnicity? Please point me to that.

I was referring to him being a Khalistani and I did point you to the fact that Khalistanis have ties with organized crime. There’s shit ton of evidence related to that.

For the record, I’m sure I know more Sikhs than you, have since childhood and none of them is a Khalistani nor a criminal.

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Never said that Khadr should've been extradited, he shouldn't have at all and I support the Canadian government decision. But the claims of the Indian government against Nijjar are also dubious which points to the likelihood that any diplomatic transfer was a non-starter. Of course, the difference here was that the USA attempted a diplomatic process and did not execute a citizen on Canadian soil.

So India couldn't extradite him. There are many people North Korea would like to punish but can't extradite. You seem to be implying that if India couldn't extradite him, they should kill him.

He already said that he isn't intending that at all and is just pointing out that an extradition probably wouldn't pan out.

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Blaming it on criminal ties simply because the ethnicity of the victim? Are you serious? When is that okay? And for your information, I live in Vancouver. I'm aware of the organized crime issue here. But not every Sikh is a terrorist or criminal (I can't believe I have to say that). Suggesting they are criminally involved just because of their race is textbook racism.

> Blaming it on criminal ties simply because the ethnicity of the victim? … > But not every Sikh is a terrorist or criminal Now you’re just making things up. Where in my comment did I say that every Sikh is a terrorist or criminal or I’m blaming criminal ties due to his ethnicity ? Please point me to that. I was referring to him being a Khalistani and I did point you to the fact that Khalistanis have ties with organi…

Here's what you said:

>This was probably nothing but gang rivalry.

>>Indo-Canadian organized crime or Punjabi-Canadian organized crime is made up predominantly of young adults and teenagers of Punjabi ethnic, cultural and linguistic background, typically ethnic Jatt’s. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Canadian_organized_crim...

Since you purposefully pulled a quotation from the wiki article about ethnicity, it seems pretty obvious to me you are linking his ethnicity to organized crime. Right? Am I crazy? You brought up his ethnicity. You did that.

If you meant to say Khalistanis have ties to organized crime then you should have said that. But, you didn't.

Anyways, now that you've corrected (or backtracked) to say Khalistanis have ties with organized crime, I acknowledge your correction. Though, I still don't follow the logic of "Khalistanis have ties with organized crime" therefore, this is "probably" organized crime but this has gone on long enough.

FYI, I'm not going to read your reply.

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So India couldn't extradite him. There are many people North Korea would like to punish but can't extradite. You seem to be implying that if India couldn't extradite him, they should kill him.

He already said that he isn't intending that at all and is just pointing out that an extradition probably wouldn't pan out.

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The rule of law made it so you cannot run kangaroo courts when you just personally believe someone is guilty. If the process is failing to prosecute the guilty, the process should be updated with... more laws, which themselves are passed through representative democratic governance. If one outcome is unsatisfactory to you, you can vote for someone who will tear down the system, you can become a prosecutor, you can ru…

> representative democratic governance It's questionable if that exists in Canada given the system that's currently in place. Look at the results of the most recent federal election, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Canadian_federal_election A party that received 32.62% of the popular vote got 160 seats in the House of Commons, while another party that received 33.74% of the vote got only 119 seats. A…

I don't think there's many democracies that function on a purely national popular vote in allotting seats proportionally. I think maybe Israel does. Hardly disqualifies a country as democratic.

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Sikhs make up <2% of Canada. Even less when you account for that fact that not all of them are of age to vote. Do you really think a PM of Canada would throw away relationship with a potentially large trading partner for a few thousand votes?

This not uniformly distributed. And identity politics can and do win you seats in local councils, senates, congresses, and so on. This is the very common mistake by identity politics deniers. They always say that population is x% where x not uniformly distributed over the country and are concentrated in some parts, and a party, by appeasing the can and do win seats in democratic elections. I have seen this first hand…

>A Shikh party

wtf? NDP is led by Jagmeet Singh, who happens to be Sikh. That doesn't make NDP Sikh. What a ridiculous line of thought.

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