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Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by dotancohen »

RajT88 wrote: post #55
tomxor wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd pay to just not have one, but I'm not even sure that's possible any more. I'm really not looking forward to when I'm forced to buy a new car - few things make me more mad than smartphone tech with universally slow and terrible UX, duck-taped onto machines, let alone dangerous machines.

> I'd pay to just not have one, but I'm not even sure that's possible any more. Yeah, some stuff makes you go through the head unit on some machines. Any replacement head unit would have to implement the same controls somehow. Wealthy will be the person who makes a generic 2 DIN head unit, where you have physical buttons which you can map to various CANBus messages.

I'm working on a generic device that sends canbus messages, that can have inputs such as potentiometer, push buttons, toggle switches, and rotary encoders. My end goal is to have real hvac controls on my Tesla, but I'd like to abstract the device as much as possible. Fun project, and most of the hardware necessary is already out there.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by makeva »

Rychard wrote: post #63
petercooper wrote: post #40

This reminds me of a problem I have with most hardware and software: being hassled about things like updates or T&Cs when you start to use them rather than after you have used them. Ask me to do firmware updates when I try to shut a device down, not when I turn it on. Ask me to update some software when I close a document, not when I launch it to do some work. All that happens is I skip the intrusion to carry on with…

> Ask me to do firmware updates when I try to shut a device down, not when I turn it on. Ask me to update some software when I close a document, not when I launch it to do some work. Just yesterday, I was at the grocery store and needed to check my shopping list on my phone. When I unlocked my phone, I found that it had (entirely on its own) connected to the insecure store wifi, and was downloading a 1GB+ update pack…

Name and shame

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by mrtksn »

This is an obvious no-no but these popups create other issues too.

My Grandma lives in a small town in Eastern Europe and I bought her a Samsung Tablet to use with Skype so we can talk to her without paying ridiculous international rates(her house had 100mbps internet but no landline for phone, only GSM which was expensive to call).

Anyway, at some point Skype and later Samsung decided that we can't call grandma without her accepting the terms and conditions. The problem is that she has all kind of illnesses and she can't see the screen well and can't manage a touchscreen well. Also can't get it fixed by someone else because pretty much everyone is very old in the town.

During the height of the pandemic I had to do an international travel because she wanted to see us. I Gave her my old iPhone 7 and use FaceTime now, with auto answer setting turned on in the accessibility. Works like a charm since then, as good and simple as a traditional dumb phone.

People making these UX really should think better.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

_moof wrote: post #12
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #5

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I'll continue driving my loud gas guzzling 19mpg car for as long as I can keep it going because these ultra connected new cars are abominations

A friend works in environmental science and his advice when it comes to cars and climate is to keep your car for as long as possible, regardless of gas vs. electric. Obviously YMMV but generally speaking the emissions "cost" of manufacturing and delivering the car in the first place is huge, and the way the numbers work out, it's better to amortize that over as long a time as you can than it is to frequently buy a re…

That assumes that the used car market isn't a thing. Richer people (those who can afford new cars) keeping their cars as long as possible would definitely reduce overall demand for cars by killing the used car market, which I guess is also a good thing if you care about the environment (but in a harsh unintended consequence kind of way). Or perhaps new economy cars would become a thing again, kind of like the ones they drive around in China (or Japan). They aren't designed to last more than 4-6 years anyways.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by vel0city »

version_five wrote: post #8
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #5

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I'll continue driving my loud gas guzzling 19mpg car for as long as I can keep it going because these ultra connected new cars are abominations

The real impetus behind electric cars is vendor lock in and monitoring. It brings a clean slate to the currently robust repair market.

But vendor lock in and monitoring is happening even on non-electric cars, and there's nothing inherent to electric vehicles that requires the lock in and remote monitoring compared to any modern ICE.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by figassis »

I bought a Nissan this year. I paired my phone and granted access to contacts, but not messages. Every time I turn it on it shows a popup asking to grant access to my phone's messages. I decline each time, and each time it comes back. It's like they build these products with complete disregard for user choice. "We don't care that they decline, show it again until they submit". I've been a developer of products that do this, and it's never a bug, it's always intentional. You mention to the product manager how this is undesirable behavior, and sometimes even implement it in a choice respecting way, but are quickly overridden and asked to correct.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by dizhn »

boatsie wrote: post #78
samtho wrote: post #59

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Instead of legislating pop over messages to happen (looking at cookie messages), we just need to legislate these trash interruptions away. I didn’t begin using the device I purchased to be interrupted by something that had literally no bearing on my life, I cannot effectively use the device if I decline, and the existence of such can cause harm if I am working with something sensitive.

on that note, is anyone ever voluntarily, knowingly clicking the “accept all” other than to dismiss these? Like why not just legislate that you can’t do the kind of tracking they are asking because I’m pretty sure literally nobody wants it…

The accept button is a one time deal. You click it and never hear about it again. Deny on the other hand causes the same question to come up again and again. They want you either to get fed up and accept it or accidentally accept it.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by hef19898 »

teekert wrote: post #52
wredue wrote: post #15

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My 2017 silverado pops up a message telling me to keep my eyes on the road while driving cause it’s dangerous to take your eyes off the road for a long time while the truck is moving.

:D My parents owned a Renault that would tell you at every single start to obey the traffic regulations. I wish I could slap that car and it would feel it.

That would be a good use of AI. I'm just affraid that this would directly need to Skynet or something if we slapnoir smart devices too often.

Re: Car showed pop-up while driving

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Post by Yhippa »

Feature Team A is working on New Functionality 1, Feature Team B is working on New Functionality 2, but no Feature Team wants to be responsible for all these weird interactions like pop-ups. That doesn't get you promoted.
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