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Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

simbolit wrote: post #108
alkz wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but what is a 'computer'? For anyone not already in the know, this term doesn't mean "a machine that can be programmed to carry out sequences of arithmetic or logical operations (computation) automatically." (quote from Wikipedia), it just means nothing at all.

You funny. Edit: I don't want to sound dismissive, so let me explain the difference. Anyone coming to the website will be using a computer of some kind, and even if they for some weird reason don't, the verb "compute" does give a hint at what a computer might be. None of this is true for "infrastructure-as-code".

Right now, most of its target audience already knows exactly what terraform is and why they're abandoning it, although I agree that pivoting to explaining independently of that is a good idea

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by fishnchips »

figmert wrote: post #209
tristan957 wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are around 19 full-time engineers staffed for the project from various companies. That is a lot more engineers than HashiCorp themselves had developing Terraform at the time of the license change.

> There are around 19 full-time engineers staffed for the project from various companies Various companies being all HashiCorp competitors: https://opentofu.org/supporters

Does it make them lesser engineers?

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by bilalq »

candiddevmike wrote: post #156
bilalq wrote: post #93

What are OpenTofu's plans around CDKTF? Will that only work with HashiCorp TF going forward? Or will that be forked as well? Terraform is a better foundational layer than CloudFormation, but CDK is by far the better level of abstraction, I believe. AWS CDK is decent, but it is of course limited to AWS. CDKTF was one of the more interesting initiatives in this space.

Terraform CDK is still MPL.

Even if the license is unchanged, will it interop with OpenTofu? Will interop with CDKTF be an explicit goal of the project?

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by bilalq »

fishnchips wrote: post #114
bilalq wrote: post #93

What are OpenTofu's plans around CDKTF? Will that only work with HashiCorp TF going forward? Or will that be forked as well? Terraform is a better foundational layer than CloudFormation, but CDK is by far the better level of abstraction, I believe. AWS CDK is decent, but it is of course limited to AWS. CDKTF was one of the more interesting initiatives in this space.

Should work out of the box TBH, IIRC the CDK works as a preprocessor.

For now. But the fork will likely diverge over time, right? I suspect this will cause issues unless compatibility is an explicit goal.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by fishnchips »

bilalq wrote: post #215
fishnchips wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should work out of the box TBH, IIRC the CDK works as a preprocessor.

For now. But the fork will likely diverge over time, right? I suspect this will cause issues unless compatibility is an explicit goal.

Correct, we will want OpenTF to remain a drop-in replacement.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by fishnchips »

bilalq wrote: post #214
candiddevmike wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Terraform CDK is still MPL.

Even if the license is unchanged, will it interop with OpenTofu? Will interop with CDKTF be an explicit goal of the project?

It's a byproduct of more fundamental interop. Any interop issues can also be reported by the community and get fixed.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by bshacklett »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #212
bshacklett wrote: post #202

It's a cute name, but as a consultant, I don't think this is going to help me convince technology leaders to adopt this project over Terraform.

Well no, the selling point is the license not the name

To what audience? For someone in a leadership position who is responsible for running their organization, optics are very important, and a silly name can hurt. We're already talking about a fork by a lesser-known organization with no track record. The silly name doesn't help.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by [deleted] »

cloudbrewer wrote: post #183

I believe Dave McJannet, HashiCorp's CEO, should be concerned. OpenTofu has garnered massive support, with the project gaining admission to the Linux Foundation and even receiving public support from companies like Allianz. Within HashiCorp, the CEO has fostered a toxic culture characterized by a large workforce that strives to do as little as possible, relying solely on the dedication of a few committed employees, m…

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Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by altairprime »

bshacklett wrote: post #202

It's a cute name, but as a consultant, I don't think this is going to help me convince technology leaders to adopt this project over Terraform.

“You won’t have to financially support the project in order to benefit from it” is the usual selling point. Corporations will overlook a cute name if it’s free, relative to another product.

If your corporation(s) don’t resell service deriving from Terraform, then there’s no financial reason to switch, since they’re not subject to the licensing risk — at which point it doesn’t matter what the name of the project is, either.

It’s still possible to make an argument to switch based on “community exodus from the commercially-supported variant”, which is at least more likely to be of interest to a classical C-corp than “ethical duty to open source”, but if opentofu contributions can be mixed into existing terraform, then that might not stand up well either.

If the corporation makes a decision solely based on (for example) hostility to vegetarians, then the name will be relevant — but that’s an outcome that is too irrational to account for.

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