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We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

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Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

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Post by adesanmi »

bakugo wrote: post #160
adesanmi wrote: post #104

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I don’t understand how this is Anti Consumer in any way? I have an iPhone and a FairPhone. One’s niche is that it’s repairable, and the other is that it’s not. A consumer who wants a repairable would buy something like a FairPhone (modular parts!!!) and someone like my mum can get her all-in-one “nice” experience. They’re allowed to have an opinion, and with engineering there are tradeoffs. They tradeoff design with…

> and someone like my mum can get her all-in-one “nice” experience. This is a great example of what I had in mind. Apple has successfully convinced you that pairing every part of the phone to the motherboard such that it can never be replaced by anyone other than Apple (usually for a price greater than the phone itself) is somehow essential to the iPhone Experience™ and beneficial to the user.

Why would a consumer like my mum care about opening the phone up?

You still haven’t explained how choosing to tradeoff design over repairability is anti-consumer when the consumer can buy a FairPhone right now (who, I can tell you, have a significantly worse experience and design than my iPhone, but I don’t care because I can tinker with it!)

I think you just don’t like the company and are looking for silly reasons to bash them.

Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

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Post by nemothekid »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #238
nemothekid wrote: post #235

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1. The Emergency card (the first user was contacted when the user's father's iphone was stolen). 2. You can read the phone number off the sim card 3. Many people upon losing their phone will set their phone to lost mode and include a number.

> 1. The Emergency card (the first user was contacted when the user's father's iphone was stolen). Yet the father was the one being fished. > 2. You can read the phone number off the sim card How? > 3. Many people upon losing their phone will set their phone to lost mode and include a number. Losing it is not the same as having it stolen, though.

>Yet the father was the one being fished.

Not sure I understand. The father's phone was stolen, and the son was contacted, and the son logged into the account.

>How?

Anyone can pop out the sim card and plug it into any dumbphone, navigate to settings and read the phone number. I assume there's probably a USB device to dump data on a sim card.

>Losing it is not the same as having it stolen, though.

Your phone is lost until you attain the information that it was stolen. I fail to find it now, but there was a tiktok of a woman who lost their iphone at festival and it turned up in china where she also was unsuccessfully phished.

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

whynotminot wrote: post #78
orwin wrote: post #59

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So, abandonning liberties for a bit of security then.

I just don’t understand how repairing a phone got conflated with liberty in these conversations. Don’t like the product don’t buy the product.

I mean, I don't and I won't. But fundamentally, the reason I have never bought an iPhone is exactly what the GP said: I want to be able to do whatever I want with a device I own. I'm not willing to give up that freedom for some minor security gains.

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

dzikimarian wrote: post #228

After reading all robbery comments: Sweet Jesus on motorbike. Where do you live people?

Seriously. I've never lived anywhere where crime is even close to as commonplace as people are saying it is where they live. I can't envision what would be good enough incentive to continue to live in such a place, either.

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Post by m463 »

hedora wrote: post #74
ho_schi wrote: post #50

That is one of the many reasons why use ThinkPads. * Maintenance Manual with explosion diagrams and step-by-step guides * Short guide videos for important parts (terse and helpful, very good hidden on Lenovos Website) * OEM-Parts from Lenovo itself or dealers Side story. I ordered a X13 Gen 3 (because the new reverse notch is “meh”) AMD (because Intel is “meh”) but the HiDPI was not selectable. So I ordered it withou…

I get how this is helpful for hobby hardware, but the last time I had a problem with a Lenovo, I sent it to the on-site authorized repair depot (my employer had a special gold plated contract with them), who couldn't replace it because it needed a replacement display cable they didn't stock. They diagnosed it, and sent it to Lenovo, who said it would take 30 days to replace the cable. I bought a cheap desktop in the…

> a bag of money containing about 10% its retail price

In my experience that is a low value. It has always been repair this one, or buy current model for 20% more than repair cost.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

fortran77 wrote: post #237
lotsofpulp wrote: post #220

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Hence why you should not use bank/brokerage websites or apps on phone other than maybe a checking account with a small amount of money in it.

Yes! On my travel checklist I have "REMOVE BROKERAGE APPS FROM PHONE"

Unless you are a day trader, I do not see a reason to ever have them on your phone.

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Post by londons_explore »

UseStrict wrote: post #129
sneeze-slayer wrote: post #61

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I think the point is that an unsuspecting buyer of, e.g. a screen replacement, could end up going to a shady repair shop that uses stolen parts, sees the message once, clicks "OK", and moves on. The reasoning being that this scenario would cause some demand for black market parts. The suggestion from OP whereby the seller of a used phone logs in and "unpairs" the parts could avoid this, unless a robber forces you to…

Apple could just unpair parts when the phone itself is reset/deactivated. And new genuine Apple parts could at least have a one-time automatic pairing when signing in with your Apple ID. Stolen phone? The phone is still activated, part can't pair with new phone. Not perfect, but at least somewhat less anti-consumer.

But if that were the case, there would be plenty of people willing to sell you a refurbished screen for your 2 year old iphone for $100.

By restricting the reuse of parts, when you crack the screen of your old phone, you are faced with a $500 repair bill, and decide to just pay your phone company $50/month for a new contract that comes with a new phone.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

dylan604 wrote: post #243
lotsofpulp wrote: post #220

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Hence why you should not use bank/brokerage websites or apps on phone other than maybe a checking account with a small amount of money in it.

for paypal, i only ever use a login through the website on the rare occasions i have to use it. for other apps like cashapp/venmo, do they even have a non-app method of using them?

For those, I would only connect them to a bank account with a relatively small amount of money in it.

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Post by _ph_ »

One thing I dislike about this decision is, that it conflates the limitations for third parties repairing an iPhone with the ability to repair a device at all. Yes, in an ideal world it would be easy and cheap to repair a device. Good points have been raised in the discussion, why this might be limited by necessity. Like theft-protection and just technical questions of calibration of part.

But from an environmental perspective, it makes a huge difference whether something can be quickly repaired or not. Who can do the repairs is an important question, but it is secondary to the first. I am not happy with iFixit not distinguishing bad repairability and having to go to Apple for a repair.

I find it ok to withdraw like one point for the tie-in to the manufacturer, but the new score puts it on a level with devices which just have to be thrown away.

This is also a disservice to the customer, as while the Apple prices might be quite high, they seem to be related closely to how difficult a certain repair is to do. Improvements there are a benefit to all customers. The new scoring system hides this and actually reduces the pressure onto the manufacturer to improve repairability.

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Post by dylan604 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #258
dylan604 wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for paypal, i only ever use a login through the website on the rare occasions i have to use it. for other apps like cashapp/venmo, do they even have a non-app method of using them?

For those, I would only connect them to a bank account with a relatively small amount of money in it.

you just described every single account i have =(
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