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We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

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Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

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Post by s3p »

diabeetusman wrote: post #49
s3p wrote: post #7

Reminds me of a Louis Rossman video [0] where he shares his frustration with Apple's independent repair shop program. He says that to get access to genuine Apple parts (and the ability to pair them to devices), Apple requires that his shop not be able to do certain things like fix a broken angle detection sensor. It's utter BS, and the lip service companies are paying to right-to-repair bills in state legislatures ho…

Sorry, which video? Your [0] doesn't go anywhere :)

Ah so sorry! Got deleted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn_v-VxXNoI

Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

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Post by musictubes »

natymad wrote: post #166

I completely fail to understand the anti-theft argument, help me out here. So the theory is that, once thieves will see you're carrying an Iphone, they won't bother taking it. But why? You're already being mugged, everything that's even remotely valuable will be taken. Why would they let their victims go, just because their valuables are more difficult to flip? "Give me all your valuables - oh wait, that's an iphone,…

https://www.imore.com/iphone-theft-drops-40-san-francisco-25...

Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

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Post by junofan »

awesomeMilou wrote: post #16
mschuster91 wrote: post #6

There is also another issue why Apple is restricting "part harvesting": theft. iCloud locks or Samsung's KNOX lock entered the field because the manufacturers were pretty pissed that customers using their devices in public became a target for "enterprising" robbers who'd factory-wipe the devices and flip them to a pawn shop or second-hand store in a matter of half an hour. When people are afraid to use your products…

The rationale of putting engineering time into developing sophisticated anti-repair schemes instead of selling spare parts directly under some threat of a part black market is completely bonkers to me. Sorry, I'm not buying it, this is Apple protecting their exclusive repair turf and nothing else.

The execs are actually focused on a giant, sophisticated fraud ring in China doing several bn $. The repairs lose money.

Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

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Post by circuit10 »

nemothekid wrote: post #227
circuit10 wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can tell the theft thing is an excuse from Apple because they don't do things like allowing you to unlock parts you own, or even buy genuine new parts that definitely stolen without silly restrictions like needing to put in a serial number first and then contact Apple to pair it (this is probably done to make it almost useless for repair shops because they want to push their even more restrictive "independent" re…

> tell the theft thing is an excuse from Apple because they don't do things like allowing you to unlock parts you own This would only make sense if Apple had an existing system for customers to unlock their own parts and then disabled it. The system you are talking about doesn't exist, and the idea that they built X but didn't include X+1 because of "greed reasons" isn't entirely credibly. While you could argue that…

Something Louis Rossmann who advocates for right to repair, says (I'm paraphrasing of course) is that it's not necessarily that they explicitly go out of their way to say "let's make repair harder", but when there are no incentives to improve the situation it won't be worked on at all and that has the same effect, so it's still important to push them to do it

Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

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Post by nemothekid »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #157
nemothekid wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If this helped protect against theft, then why did they steal the phone anyway? They are plenty of stories on Reddit and TikTok where the stolen phone ends up in China, and then the owner is phished into disabling iCloud so that the phone could be wiped. If not the sold is phone for parts. To me the very fact that you need an entire phishing ring to make stealing iPhones profitable means that there is some cost tha…

How do the thieves get the contact details of the person whose phone they stole to fish them? And why did they steal the iPhone I mentioned without having the contact details of the person?

1. The Emergency card (the first user was contacted when the user's father's iphone was stolen).

2. You can read the phone number off the sim card

3. Many people upon losing their phone will set their phone to lost mode and include a number.

Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

shortcake27 wrote: post #86
ejstronge wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (If anyone at Apple is reading this: ffs, allow the legitimate owner of a device to "unpair" all components in their phone in iCloud so that legitimate second-hand shops can strip a broken device at least for its parts) I was robbed at gunpoint (but not in a 'problematic' part of town) and the thief outlined all the steps he needed me to take to remove my phone from Find My and from iCloud. I think a lot of these m…

I’m sorry that happened to you. IMHO this is a huge problem. A thief just wants to steal your phone. To ensure the value of the device, it’s now common to force you to provide your passcode. This gives access to all your data, can be used to reset your Apple ID password, lock you out of your account, and erase and lock all your other devices. This problem never existed before, and it’s significantly worse! Like, way…

It sounds like the solution for your problem is not to use an Apple phone. Use an Android rom that gives you significantly more power and granularity.

Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

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Post by fortran77 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #220
fortran77 wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See this story: https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/patrons-nyc-gay-bar...

Hence why you should not use bank/brokerage websites or apps on phone other than maybe a checking account with a small amount of money in it.

Yes! On my travel checklist I have "REMOVE BROKERAGE APPS FROM PHONE"

Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

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Post by flanked-evergl »

nemothekid wrote: post #235
flanked-evergl wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do the thieves get the contact details of the person whose phone they stole to fish them? And why did they steal the iPhone I mentioned without having the contact details of the person?

1. The Emergency card (the first user was contacted when the user's father's iphone was stolen). 2. You can read the phone number off the sim card 3. Many people upon losing their phone will set their phone to lost mode and include a number.

> 1. The Emergency card (the first user was contacted when the user's father's iphone was stolen).

Yet the father was the one being fished.

> 2. You can read the phone number off the sim card

How?

> 3. Many people upon losing their phone will set their phone to lost mode and include a number.

Losing it is not the same as having it stolen, though.

Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

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Post by Kretinsky »

mschuster91 wrote: post #6

There is also another issue why Apple is restricting "part harvesting": theft. iCloud locks or Samsung's KNOX lock entered the field because the manufacturers were pretty pissed that customers using their devices in public became a target for "enterprising" robbers who'd factory-wipe the devices and flip them to a pawn shop or second-hand store in a matter of half an hour. When people are afraid to use your products…

What is the resell value of the parts for a whole phone? It can't be more than 1/10th, even less when factoring the time spent dismounting the phone.

Another solution would be to have a database of parts, and a repair using a stolen part wouldn't work.

Re: We are retroactively dropping the iPhone’s repairability score

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Post by flanked-evergl »

musictubes wrote: post #218
flanked-evergl wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So while a single iPhone might get stolen, overall there are less if many thieves targetting iPhones. Do we have data to show this? > They don't bring money, but increase the risk of landing in prison. I also don't think the risk of going to prison for theft in London is that high. Sure, stealing an iPhone increases it, but an increasing an insignificant risk by a factor of 10 could still leave it being insignifica…

https://www.imore.com/iphone-theft-drops-40-san-francisco-25...

This article predates the technology being discussed, so it can't be data that shows that this technology is preventing crime.
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