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We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Re: We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

autoexec wrote: post #111
smeej wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Men seem to be under the impression that their desire is the default, that if a woman is on an app, she wants what they want. But raaaaarely do women on these apps, or in general, only want sex. that's not a problem with men or women, it's a problem with the apps. There should be apps that are strictly for scheduling casual hook ups and other apps that are for people looking for meaningful relationships. At the ver…

It's not just a problem with apps. It's a problem with the people using them. No one wants to admits what type of relationship they're really looking for because they're afraid it will scare off partners.

Re: We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Post by autoexec »

motohagiography wrote: post #105

All a woman has to do to compete with an AI is be fit, good at something, desire motherhood, and leave the house to do anything social at all after working hours. The secret to finding a great man is to learn to appreciate one. I've said before that social media is like a vibrator for narcisistic supply, and seriously, if you use instagram, you are entrained by a deeply insane narrative existence that keeps you suspe…

> All a woman has to do to compete with an AI is be fit, good at something, desire motherhood, and leave the house to do anything social at all after working hours.

I think that's shortsighted. A good AI will never make a mistake, get angry, complain, forget, or have a bad day unless you want them to and even then only to the extent that you want them to.

An AI can learn exactly what a person wants in a partner and be constantly optimizing for that minute by minute with no regard for their own desires. That's a standard that is pretty much impossible to beat. Real people come with inevitable annoyances and complexities and inconveniences. AI could fake those things just enough to stay engaging and appear lifelike without it being a problem.

A good enough AI should be preferable to a real human for anyone and everyone because it's able to be everything that they want 100% of the time.

Re: We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Post by gota »

bawolff wrote: post #46
gota wrote: post #7

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Hm, I don't know. Sex dolls don't pass the Turing test with flying colors. More than that, even without speech or action they are emotional surrogates for some needy people - making the simulacra perfect will make it easier for more and more lonely people (let's be honest, mostly men) to take that leap of 'suspension of disbelief'. Even among those that don't engage it may become more socially acceptable. I imagine s…

> Hm, I don't know. Sex dolls don't pass the Turing test with flying colors. Neither do AI chatbots

yet

Re: We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Post by autoexec »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #141
autoexec wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Men seem to be under the impression that their desire is the default, that if a woman is on an app, she wants what they want. But raaaaarely do women on these apps, or in general, only want sex. that's not a problem with men or women, it's a problem with the apps. There should be apps that are strictly for scheduling casual hook ups and other apps that are for people looking for meaningful relationships. At the ver…

It's not just a problem with apps. It's a problem with the people using them. No one wants to admits what type of relationship they're really looking for because they're afraid it will scare off partners.

I guess if some people can get their foot in the door with casual sex and somehow turn that into a meaningful relationship or (perhaps more challenging) get some casual sex out of building a lasting relationship it might benefit some people to lie about what they want, but it seems like honesty would be a lot easier.

Re: We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Post by galaxytachyon »

Jigsy wrote: post #106

Never personally dated, but like anime women. Over the decades however I've just been reaffirmed that dating simply isn't worth my time or effort. I'm single and enjoy that. I do not exist to either entertain another person or validate their self worth.

The key is they should also entertain and validate your self-worth.

A relationship should be of give and take. You are expected to put effort into maintaining it but the same thing is asked of your partner. Sometimes, one of you will forget or too busy and neglect it. A good couple will accept that and be positive by still putting in their due for some time while the other should notice it and try to fix their issue. A bad relationship, prone to breakup, will have one of the two demanding or questioning why the other is not showering me with love anymore while doing nothing to deserve that love.

Re: We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Post by OfSanguineFire »

motohagiography wrote: post #105

All a woman has to do to compete with an AI is be fit, good at something, desire motherhood, and leave the house to do anything social at all after working hours. The secret to finding a great man is to learn to appreciate one. I've said before that social media is like a vibrator for narcisistic supply, and seriously, if you use instagram, you are entrained by a deeply insane narrative existence that keeps you suspe…

As a man, I just can’t understand your blanket claim there: “desire motherhood”. I personally think that children are insufferable. And not just me: my circle of friends is divided into men with children, and men who don’t have children and think that the first group’s lives are fucked now.

This reminds me of the common claim on Reddit “manosphere” subs that for men, it doesn’t matter how much education a woman has. Meanwhile, when I dated, the woman’s erudition was always one of my top criteria.

Re: We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Post by spiderxxxx »

alexb_ wrote: post #5

I don't know why people are focusing on what men will do with AI girlfriends - the actual question is what women will do with AI boyfriends. On every single AI chat app like character.ai the majority of users are women, and the most popular characters are men. Women are people who read romance novels and are even more attracted by the "emotional validation". > Now we’re facing a future where guys could get addicted t…

Context for the article is important here. This article is written for "GIRLS" which is targeting specifically, young women. The tagline for the site is "Girlhood in the Modern World". I think it's valid to talk about it in that context, just as it's valid to talk about it in a BOYS context, or MENS context. It's a discussion piece, which is used to open a discussion on the subject, and does present opinions.

That said, I hope the AI GF/BF will model good relationships, and hopefully people learn from that, so when they desire a physical relationship, they'll know how to handle themselves with a real partner. However, it'll be difficult to do that with the current state of these AI apps that simply agree with everything you say and validate everything.

Re: We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

bawolff wrote: post #76
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #39

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I want to know what academic invented the words "moral panic" as a way to handwave any issue; even though the application of it is hilariously inconsistent. Is being upset about Ukraine being invaded a moral panic?

You could just google it you know. Wikipedia has an article. Moral panic implies 2 things: - it is about the structure of culture or how people interact with each other (moral) - it is irrational (panic) Russia vs Ukraine meets neither of those criteria.

It doesn't necessitate irrational thought. Moral panic about an invasion is rather rational from the perspective of the nationals in the invaded country. The point that this particular moral panic is "premature" is still a potentially valid criticism. And to answer the question posed above:

> Is being upset about Ukraine being invaded a moral panic?

Yeah, actually, sounds like it[0]:

> A moral panic is a widespread feeling of fear, often an irrational one, that some evil person or thing threatens the values, interests, or well-being of a community or society.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic

Re: We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Post by libraryatnight »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #108
jlawson wrote: post #64

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It's a combination of the Women-are-wonderful Effect [0] (which goes double when it comes to sexuality) and the universal lack of giving-a-shit about problems that men face. Men's sexuality is dangerous and unnecessary. Womens' sexuality is moral and precious. To say that womens' sexuality is causing a social problem is absolutely unacceptable in establishment cultural spaces. The other side of it is that nobody care…

Why are you being downvoted? You're right.

Most of what he says is not real.

"Men's sexuality is dangerous and unnecessary" - who is saying this? I understand powerful men abusing people is a hot topic right now, but male sexuality doesn't feel under attack to me. If you think of abuse and manipulation as male sexuality, I suppose I could see it.

"The other side of it is that nobody cares about mens' problems" People do care. You can talk to them and share if you're frustrated. There's lots of doctors, reporters, sociologists, etc writing on that very topic and theres help if men need it.

Anyway this person has taken a few concepts and attached a lot of personal rage. Don't get sucked in to this position.

Re: We Can't Compete with AI Girlfriends

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Post by libraryatnight »

K0balt wrote: post #87
jlawson wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a combination of the Women-are-wonderful Effect [0] (which goes double when it comes to sexuality) and the universal lack of giving-a-shit about problems that men face. Men's sexuality is dangerous and unnecessary. Womens' sexuality is moral and precious. To say that womens' sexuality is causing a social problem is absolutely unacceptable in establishment cultural spaces. The other side of it is that nobody care…

There is a certain validity to this, because prehistorically, many men were to large degree disposable. Now, not so much if you want a functional civic society.

Stop doing this. It's bullshit and it spreads like a disease.
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