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Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by EatingWithForks »

renewiltord wrote: post #113
gruez wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The Khalistani perpetrators of the worst terrorist act on Canadian soil, second only to 9/11 in deaths, walked free. >I can't comment on Canada's justice system broadly. But when it comes to holding terrorists accountable, Canada's track record is a joke. The wikipedia article says the Canadian government spent $130M prosecuting the accused, but was unable to secure a conviction. If these people can't be convicted,…

That's exactly it, isn't it? Claiming you have rule of law while being unable to secure prosecutions makes it a farce.

The rule of law made it so you cannot run kangaroo courts when you just personally believe someone is guilty. If the process is failing to prosecute the guilty, the process should be updated with... more laws, which themselves are passed through representative democratic governance. If one outcome is unsatisfactory to you, you can vote for someone who will tear down the system, you can become a prosecutor, you can run campaigns for people who will tear down systems for you, etc.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by eynsham »

givemeethekeys wrote: post #118

Trudeau has has been having a terrible time with India. How fortuitous then, that a man, wanted as a terrorist in India who also happens to be Canadian citizen ends up dead, soon after these mishaps: - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-10/trudeau-i... - https://www.fijitimes.com/modi-scolds-trudeau-over-sikh-prot... With some luck, the people of Canada will completely forget what a tool Trudeau has been…

It's a bit naïve to think that the Canadian public will respond to this in the same way that the Indian nationalist press respond to 56 inches' chest-thumping. People can vote Poilievre and oppose extrajudicial assassinations by foreign intelligence agencies.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by CoolGuySteve »

dirtyid wrote: post #126
mabbo wrote: post #48

To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse them of assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. C-18 is a problem. We need to deal with it. That's not relevant to the issue at hand. And to those saying "Well he was a terrorist..." we, in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law. You have to pr…

Western citizenship being inviolable golden passports for sheltering/weaponizing dissidents of foreign states is not going to be sustainable forever. The west providing sanctuary for enemies of other states is going to end when other states possess power/leverage to do something about it.

No, freedom of speech is the foundation of our society.

If other governments have a problem with that they can get fucked.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by CydeWeys »

Method-X wrote: post #127
mabbo wrote: post #48

To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse them of assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. C-18 is a problem. We need to deal with it. That's not relevant to the issue at hand. And to those saying "Well he was a terrorist..." we, in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law. You have to pr…

The word for it is "extrajudicial killing."

Or just assassination.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by pedrosorio »

dirtyid wrote: post #126
mabbo wrote: post #48

To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse them of assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. C-18 is a problem. We need to deal with it. That's not relevant to the issue at hand. And to those saying "Well he was a terrorist..." we, in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law. You have to pr…

Western citizenship being inviolable golden passports for sheltering/weaponizing dissidents of foreign states is not going to be sustainable forever. The west providing sanctuary for enemies of other states is going to end when other states possess power/leverage to do something about it.

Replace Western with Russian and foreign with American and you have Snowden.

The asymmetry you imply does not exist.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by empyrrhicist »

renewiltord wrote: post #113
gruez wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The Khalistani perpetrators of the worst terrorist act on Canadian soil, second only to 9/11 in deaths, walked free. >I can't comment on Canada's justice system broadly. But when it comes to holding terrorists accountable, Canada's track record is a joke. The wikipedia article says the Canadian government spent $130M prosecuting the accused, but was unable to secure a conviction. If these people can't be convicted,…

That's exactly it, isn't it? Claiming you have rule of law while being unable to secure prosecutions makes it a farce.

What you're asking for isn't "rule of law" it's "absolute rule".

Fuck everything about that.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by yumraj »

kmeisthax wrote: post #36
dblohm7 wrote: post #9

Play stupid games (Canadian government bill C-18 [1]), win stupid prizes. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_News_Act

This isn't C-18, this is way worse. The context is that there's a Canadian Sikh who has been calling for parts of India to secede from India. In response, India had him assassinated. India has laws on the books that allow them to remove content globally for things that violate Indian law. They enforce this on social media companies by requiring them to have employees on the country's soil in order to take them hostag…

> In response, India had him assassinated.

Where’s the evidence? Can you point to it.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by kypro »

shrubble wrote: post #7

Facebook needs to just die at this point.

It's not Facebook's fault, they're just following the law. The issue, if anything, is that in Canada you don't have the legal right to freely express yourself online and Facebook is legally allowed to censor your content. So obviously Facebook are going to have no problem with doing that if the Indian government are telling them to. The mistake of allowing private companies to have the right censor legal content (for whatever reason) is the mistake here.

Imo there's little difference in what Facebook is doing here with what they did when they removed Jan 6th posts. Hardeep Singh Nijjar was trying using his political influence to overthrow the Indian government by supporting extremist groups within India. Obviously unless you pass laws to protect freedom of speech Facebook isn't going to allow posts supporting this kind of behaviour on their platform – even if in this case a lot of people in the West agree with the extremists.

I'll also note that we don't even know if Hardeep Singh Nijjar was assassinated yet. This for the time being ranges from likely to a conspiracy theory depending on which governments and media sources you trust.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by empyrrhicist »

jessepasley wrote: post #94
ipnon wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A man’s freedom to live in a liberal democracy is not dependent on his activity’s perceived similarity to crimes committed by other people. It’s determined by the law and the application of justice. The Canadian government guarantees this and the Indian government interfered with this sovereign right as alleged.

Where does Canada stand with regards for her southern neighbor and his proclivity for extrajudicial killings and violations of sovereignty in the name fighting a War on Terror?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by ta8645 »

Pxtl wrote: post #112
ta8645 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In response, India had him assassinated. Why do people keep saying this like it's a fact? Often it's the same people claiming that the murdered victim in Canada should be presumed innocent of the accusations levelled at him. In both cases, we should approach the accusations with skepticism.

While PM Trudeau has offered no evidence, he's also unable to offer evidence when it's international intelligence data. Trudeau's poor relationship with India has been a constant scandal for his government. Similarly his junior coalition partner Jagmeet Singh, whos relationship with the international Sikh community has resulted in constant accusations of sympathy for Khalistani terrorists. Canada has a massive Indian…

You make some interesting, and good points; and that's perhaps reason to give some credence to the accusation. There are also some reasons to believe that the murdered victim, was not innocent of the charges levelled against him. But in both cases, we should stop short of saying we can say so for sure.
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