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Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by empyrrhicist »

gruez wrote: post #79
screye wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 The Khalistani perpetrators of the worst terrorist act on Canadian soil, second only to 9/11 in deaths, walked free. I can't comment on Canada's justice system broadly. But when it comes to holding terrorists accountable, Canada's track record is a joke.

>The Khalistani perpetrators of the worst terrorist act on Canadian soil, second only to 9/11 in deaths, walked free. >I can't comment on Canada's justice system broadly. But when it comes to holding terrorists accountable, Canada's track record is a joke. The wikipedia article says the Canadian government spent $130M prosecuting the accused, but was unable to secure a conviction. If these people can't be convicted,…

Seeing people defending the most blatant kinds of authoritarianism online gives me the fucking creeps.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by Pxtl »

ta8645 wrote: post #52
kmeisthax wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't C-18, this is way worse. The context is that there's a Canadian Sikh who has been calling for parts of India to secede from India. In response, India had him assassinated. India has laws on the books that allow them to remove content globally for things that violate Indian law. They enforce this on social media companies by requiring them to have employees on the country's soil in order to take them hostag…

> In response, India had him assassinated. Why do people keep saying this like it's a fact? Often it's the same people claiming that the murdered victim in Canada should be presumed innocent of the accusations levelled at him. In both cases, we should approach the accusations with skepticism.

While PM Trudeau has offered no evidence, he's also unable to offer evidence when it's international intelligence data.

Trudeau's poor relationship with India has been a constant scandal for his government. Similarly his junior coalition partner Jagmeet Singh, whos relationship with the international Sikh community has resulted in constant accusations of sympathy for Khalistani terrorists.

Canada has a massive Indian diaspora, and they're Liberal voters. Pissing them off without merit would be very dangerous for the already-embattled PM

So what I mean to say is: while he cannot provide justification, he would not have made this accusation lightly. Unfortunately this is not a court case so we will not get to know the details. It is what it is.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by renewiltord »

gruez wrote: post #79
screye wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 The Khalistani perpetrators of the worst terrorist act on Canadian soil, second only to 9/11 in deaths, walked free. I can't comment on Canada's justice system broadly. But when it comes to holding terrorists accountable, Canada's track record is a joke.

>The Khalistani perpetrators of the worst terrorist act on Canadian soil, second only to 9/11 in deaths, walked free. >I can't comment on Canada's justice system broadly. But when it comes to holding terrorists accountable, Canada's track record is a joke. The wikipedia article says the Canadian government spent $130M prosecuting the accused, but was unable to secure a conviction. If these people can't be convicted,…

That's exactly it, isn't it? Claiming you have rule of law while being unable to secure prosecutions makes it a farce.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by jpambrun »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #90
jpambrun wrote: post #49

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Facebook is not playing a smart game either. The government is already and understandably furious at India for this encroachment to sovereignty (the murder of a Canadian in Canada by a foreign state), it was also already not happy at Facebook for their previous encroachment to sovereignty (the blocking of Canadian news), and now it has more reason to be mad at Facebook for this latest encroachment to sovereignty of a…

Actually, Facebook is playing it smart. Canada has less than 40 million total people. If Facebook completely exited Canada and banned all Canadians from Facebook, it wouldn’t be all that big of a deal. India on the other hand has over a billion people. If you have to choose to piss off a government, Canada is a much better choice than India.

I realize that and secretly hope Canada will just flat out ban Facebook as it would have become an obvious liability to our sovereignty. It is unacceptable that other countries, India, US or others, have such a large control over the news and culture we see. This has way too much power to influence and it is a threat to democracy and local cultures.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by pharrington »

kmeisthax wrote: post #55
pharrington wrote: post #42

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You're saying Canadians let Facebook have total media control? The blame lies on Mark Zuckerberg. This is a Mark Zuckerberg (or more generally, unfettered capitalism) problem.

No, it's an India problem. Insamuch as Facebook or capitalism is even at fault, it's specifically because they're either willing to comply with, or have been duped into complying with, India's attempts at censorship. The fact that BC Sikhs was eventually uncensored would indicate the latter, but India knows that they can try again, because... - Companies like Facebook are big, monopolistic platforms, which mean they…

Yeah, its both an India (increasingly authoritarian government) AND Facebook (unfettered capitalist) problem.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by Sanzig »

rajup wrote: post #91
Sanzig wrote: post #44

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The evidence is certainly classified and disclosure of details would probably result in unacceptable risk to Canadian and/or other Five Eyes intelligence assets. This is not a court of law, the Canadian government is not obliged to give up the identities of its sources. Trudeau briefed the leaders of the opposition ahead of the announcement and they are all offering a united front on this. That's enough for me to inf…

> The evidence is certainly classified and disclosure of details would probably result in unacceptable risk to Canadian and/or other Five Eyes intelligence assets. How convenient!

If Trudeau is wrong about this, and is proven wrong, his government will fall. People don't blow up bilateral relationships between countries unless they are damned sure of the facts. He is clearly certain, as are the opposition parties which are all offering a common front on the issue.

Canada is not required to burn its intelligence assets prove its assertions. Releasing the evidence in a manner that exposes sources and methods just hands India's foreign intelligence apparatus a win because they can then deny Canada and her allies access to those sources.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by Waterluvian »

darth_avocado wrote: post #16

Politics aside, this feels like a good policy question? How do laws apply in the context of a global platform like Facebook. Something may be in violation of a law in one country, but be totally acceptable in another. Should sovereign citizens on one country be subjected to laws of another? If Twitter files showed us anything, posts get taken down at the request of the government (including US and Canada).

If you want access to that country's market, you are thrall to their potentially half-baked, wannabe democracy dictator-like decisions.

I think it's really that simple. Facebook can say "we will obey whatever your laws decide" to every country. Or it can say "deal with it. Block us." And I think it already happens that way for many countries.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by givemeethekeys »

Trudeau has has been having a terrible time with India. How fortuitous then, that a man, wanted as a terrorist in India who also happens to be Canadian citizen ends up dead, soon after these mishaps:

- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-10/trudeau-i...

- https://www.fijitimes.com/modi-scolds-trudeau-over-sikh-prot...

With some luck, the people of Canada will completely forget what a tool Trudeau has been when it comes to foreign policy, rally behind him in the defense of the country against that big bad bully India and give him a majority in the next election.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by russdill »

barkingcat wrote: post #102
darth_avocado wrote: post #16

Politics aside, this feels like a good policy question? How do laws apply in the context of a global platform like Facebook. Something may be in violation of a law in one country, but be totally acceptable in another. Should sovereign citizens on one country be subjected to laws of another? If Twitter files showed us anything, posts get taken down at the request of the government (including US and Canada).

There's a ton of precedence of American companies applying American laws universally across the world (regardless of whether it's applicable by jurisdiction) in IP cases, in trade issues, etc. many times it's easiest to just have 1 set of rules across the planet, so companies end up with following the lowest common denominator of legal actions and policies. (even if these policies are illegal in other jurisdictions.…

In general, cross border enforcement of trade and IP law are governed by relevant treaties.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by ElectricalUnion »

HideousKojima wrote: post #96
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, Facebook is playing it smart. Canada has less than 40 million total people. If Facebook completely exited Canada and banned all Canadians from Facebook, it wouldn’t be all that big of a deal. India on the other hand has over a billion people. If you have to choose to piss off a government, Canada is a much better choice than India.

Number of potential users isn't the only issue though. Canada's GDP is ~66% of India's, despite the massive population difference. The potential revenue per user from Canada is far higher than from India.

By this same math, losing just Canada is at maximum 66% of what would be losing just India, and Canada for sure already hates Meta.
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