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Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by Pxtl » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 7:55 PM UTC

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #90

jpambrun wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook is not playing a smart game either. The government is already and understandably furious at India for this encroachment to sovereignty (the murder of a Canadian in Canada by a foreign state), it was also already not happy at Facebook for their previous encroachment to sovereignty (the blocking of Canadian news), and now it has more reason to be mad at Facebook for this latest encroachment to sovereignty of a…

Actually, Facebook is playing it smart. Canada has less than 40 million total people. If Facebook completely exited Canada and banned all Canadians from Facebook, it wouldn’t be all that big of a deal. India on the other hand has over a billion people. If you have to choose to piss off a government, Canada is a much better choice than India.

Facebook is in the advertising industry. One pair of eyeballs is not worth the same as every other pair, they're worth what they can spend. Canadians are, in global terms, fabulously wealthy.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by mabbo » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 7:56 PM UTC

screye wrote: post #59

mabbo wrote: post #48

To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse them of assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. C-18 is a problem. We need to deal with it. That's not relevant to the issue at hand. And to those saying "Well he was a terrorist..." we, in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law. You have to pr…

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 The Khalistani perpetrators of the worst terrorist act on Canadian soil, second only to 9/11 in deaths, walked free. I can't comment on Canada's justice system broadly. But when it comes to holding terrorists accountable, Canada's track record is a joke.

Hardeep Singh Nijjar was 7 years old at the time of that attack.

Are you suggesting that he was involved?

Or are you suggesting that all Sikhs who believe in an independent nation for their people are guilty of that crime?

Should we also hold all Quebecois who believe in an independent Quebec guilty for the murder of Pierre Laporte?

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by eynsham » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 7:56 PM UTC

ta8645 wrote: post #66

eynsham wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indian nationalist circles close to the government have been claiming credit on behalf of RAW for some time (e.g., https://tfipost.com/2023/06/raw-will-never-confirm-but-harde... ).

Even that article you cite stops short of saying that RAW was definitely the perpetrator. There are occasionally people who opportunistically claim credit for crimes they didn't commit, when it suits their politics. And even if it was someone in RAW, being "close to the government", does not necessarily mean it was ordered by that government. None of us have enough information to say for sure at this point. Yet peopl…

> none of us have enough information to say for sure at this point

Well, I agree; in these matters there is rarely definitive proof until the archives are opened. Given the implicit epistemic standards governing such assertions, I think this particular assertion is fine; there is a pretty good argument for it. Those standards vary by context, and sentences of the form 'intelligence agencies did blah' have relatively low standards.

> The Prime Minister of Canada just did a state visit to India, where he was not warmly received, and made to look foolish on the world stage. So, he has his own political calculations in this affair, and is far from an objective arbiter of truth.

(https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/19/trudeau-india-...)

I can equally make an argument that the relatively muted reaction of the Indophile UK government suggests that there is something to these reports:

> The British foreign secretary, James Cleverly, said his government backed a Canadian investigation, adding that he expected India’s “full cooperation” in the inquiry. “Obviously, we have a very strong relationship with Canada, a very strong relationship with India,” he said.

or that the States would have denied this if they could, given the importance of the Quad; and so on.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by pseudo0 » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 7:56 PM UTC

jiofj wrote: post #109

pseudo0 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canada's single most deadly terrorist attack was the bombing of Air India Flight 182 by Sikh Khalistani separatists. 329 people were killed, including 268 Canadians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182

A bomb in an Air India plane done by Sikh can hardly be called a terrorist attack in Canada.

The bomb was planted on the plane in Canada, the attack was planned in Canada, the terrorists were Sikh Canadians, and the attack killed 268 Canadian citizens...

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by TheGeminon » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 7:57 PM UTC

throwaway75 wrote: post #75

mabbo wrote: post #48

To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse them of assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. C-18 is a problem. We need to deal with it. That's not relevant to the issue at hand. And to those saying "Well he was a terrorist..." we, in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law. You have to pr…

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Ayman al-Zawahiri was killed by a US drone strike

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ayman_al-Zawahiri

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by dirtyid » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 7:57 PM UTC

mabbo wrote: post #48

To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse them of assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. C-18 is a problem. We need to deal with it. That's not relevant to the issue at hand. And to those saying "Well he was a terrorist..." we, in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law. You have to pr…

Western citizenship being inviolable golden passports for sheltering/weaponizing dissidents of foreign states is not going to be sustainable forever. The west providing sanctuary for enemies of other states is going to end when other states possess power/leverage to do something about it.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by Method-X » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 7:57 PM UTC

mabbo wrote: post #48

To those saying "But Bill C-18" - it's not the Canadian government taking things down. It's the Indian government, taking down articles and posts that accuse them of assassinating a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. C-18 is a problem. We need to deal with it. That's not relevant to the issue at hand. And to those saying "Well he was a terrorist..." we, in Canada, have something called the Rule of Law. You have to pr…

The word for it is "extrajudicial killing."

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by eynsham » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 7:58 PM UTC

renewiltord wrote: post #113

gruez wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The Khalistani perpetrators of the worst terrorist act on Canadian soil, second only to 9/11 in deaths, walked free. >I can't comment on Canada's justice system broadly. But when it comes to holding terrorists accountable, Canada's track record is a joke. The wikipedia article says the Canadian government spent $130M prosecuting the accused, but was unable to secure a conviction. If these people can't be convicted,…

That's exactly it, isn't it? Claiming you have rule of law while being unable to secure prosecutions makes it a farce.

I can't tell whether this is ironic, but, no, it is usually expected that the rule of law requires that the government can't obtain convictions just because it wants them.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by eynsham » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 7:59 PM UTC

jessepasley wrote: post #94

ipnon wrote: post #83

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A man’s freedom to live in a liberal democracy is not dependent on his activity’s perceived similarity to crimes committed by other people. It’s determined by the law and the application of justice. The Canadian government guarantees this and the Indian government interfered with this sovereign right as alleged.

Where does Canada stand with regards for her southern neighbor and his proclivity for extrajudicial killings and violations of sovereignty in the name fighting a War on Terror?

Contemptibly silent. I prefer partial silence to complete silence though.

Re: Facebook is blocking Canadians’ posts on the assassination of a BC Sikh leader

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Post by ffgjgf1 » Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 8:00 PM UTC

gruez wrote: post #79

screye wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182 The Khalistani perpetrators of the worst terrorist act on Canadian soil, second only to 9/11 in deaths, walked free. I can't comment on Canada's justice system broadly. But when it comes to holding terrorists accountable, Canada's track record is a joke.

>The Khalistani perpetrators of the worst terrorist act on Canadian soil, second only to 9/11 in deaths, walked free. >I can't comment on Canada's justice system broadly. But when it comes to holding terrorists accountable, Canada's track record is a joke. The wikipedia article says the Canadian government spent $130M prosecuting the accused, but was unable to secure a conviction. If these people can't be convicted,…

> prosecution was botched

Well… wasn’t it:

> In his verdict, Justice Ian Josephson cited "unacceptable negligence" by CSIS when hundreds of wiretaps of the suspects and other informants were destroyed.

But that’s just how due process and judicial systems work.