Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

electrospaces.net

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

241–242 of 242 posts

Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

#241

Post by properly »

saalweachter wrote: post #141
sensanaty wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He would have had the chance to go to trial and defend himself and seek whistleblower protection status... In what universe would the US Gov't not just ship him off to some blacksite on a remote island somewhere and disappear him forever?

Now I'm not going to say the sentence Chelsea Manning received was fair or that I'd be down for going through what she did, or pretend that her life will ever go back to normal, but can we not act like we don't have multiple, recent whistleblower/leakers who have served their time and been released from jail? For all conspiracy theorists like to talk about it, there is remarkably little disappearing going on in the U…

[flagged]

Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

#242

Post by BlueTemplar »

pseudalopex wrote: post #69
TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article makes the case that Snowden was NOT a whistleblower: “ "I want to emphasize this: my active searching out of NSA abuses began not with the copying of documents, but with the reading of them. My initial intention was just to confirm the suspicions that I'd first had back in 2009 in Tokyo. Three years later I was determined to find out if an American system of mass surveillance existed and, if it did, how i…

Did you think to ask what suspicions Snowden had in 2009 in Tokyo? Or why he had them? He stated he read an unclassified report with evidence of illegal activities and significant abuses. The classified version confirmed his suspicions.

Indeed, this struck me as weird, and so I went and re-read the Japan chapter. In which he also explains why metadata is more important than data, which this article later also completely ignores.

Since this website otherwise seems to be well-done, has been repeatedly popping up on HN, and related HN discussions seem to have an influx of pro-NSA new accounts :

https://i.imgur.com/2aVZBIj.jpeg

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37570407

I'm afraid that I must entertain the possibility that the website itself is owned by the NSA, and the best thing to do is to ignore information on it, however well it might be presented. (I do not think that I'm smart enough to prevent a NSA team from tricking me.)

Post reply on HN