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Re: Ask HN: How to do literal web searches after Google destroyed the “ ” feature?

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Wow, that's a good tip.

Here's a URL Link to the advanced search: https://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en&fg=1

I tried it and it looks like it does nothing but wrap my query in quotes… and then return non-exact results if not found. How is this any different than what people have historically done?

Re: Ask HN: How to do literal web searches after Google destroyed the “ ” feature?

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I agree that as a programmer who frequently needs to search for long literal strings verbatim, Google has become notably less useful than it used to be. I wonder if there is now a gap in the market for some kind of "literal" search engine that makes no attempt to infer meaning on your search terms and simply gives you the closest results? In other words Google ca 2012.

For technical stuff I've long replaced Google search with phind.com even just pasting so.e generic error spit from the console works.

Re: Ask HN: How to do literal web searches after Google destroyed the “ ” feature?

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I find better results on it in general. I use Google as a fallback but these days it happens perhaps once every couple months, and mostly I don't get anything out of it.

It depends on the usecase. If you're querying for something local like a restaurant or a store, google wins by orders of magnitude. If you're researching, duckduckgo is fine. Duckduckgo doesn't really compare to Kagi though.

What's wrong with DDG and local searches? I find it exceedingly good, especially with the country selector being so up and front. It's very easy to search for those kinds of things in other places, for example to plan a trip.

Kagi for me is a no-no. I mostly browse on temporary containers, and also have Firefox delete cookies on close. A search engine that requires me to be signed in would be a massive pain to use.

Re: Ask HN: How to do literal web searches after Google destroyed the “ ” feature?

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Bing. Not that it works well. Also, spending less time on the computer. The more time you spend on the computer the more money google makes. They don’t want to help you find the thing you need, they want to do the opposite so you spend all afternoon searching so they can sell more ads.

Re: Ask HN: How to do literal web searches after Google destroyed the “ ” feature?

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post #14

You have to use a special "verbatim" search product from Google, it isn't the main search box anymore. Look under Advanced or something.

First of all, wow. It's there (under Tools, you don't even need to go to Advanced), it works, and yet I've never once seen anybody talk about that feature's existence on HN until now. And people have been complaining about not being able to do verbatim searches for years and years here on HN. Second, I just looked up when this feature was introduced (assuming it was fairly new), and it was in... November 2011 . It's…

> I've never once seen anybody talk about that feature's existence on HN until now

Every time I tried it, it didn't work.

It certainly changed a lot on those years, but the reason nobody acknowledges it is probably because it's a coin-toss if Google wants "verbatim" to mean verbatim today.

Quotes actually stopped working (they became a hint, instead of filtering the results) a long time ago, and many people insisted for years that the verbatim search worked. Probably because those tried it on the days when Google decided to use a standard dictionary. Nowadays even those people gave-up.

Re: Ask HN: How to do literal web searches after Google destroyed the “ ” feature?

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Kagi. Never have I been so happy to send someone $10 every month. When you become the customer, not the product, it’s amazing what can happen.

I would love to see some of these privacy-focused providers like Kagi and Tutanota/Protonmail align themselves into a "bundle"-type offering (think video game humble bundles) where for like $35/month you got access to a bunch of useful tools like this. It would really expose a lot of people to services they aren't super familiar with already, so even if it was at a slight discount to the provider, they would acquire a lot of new users I bet.

Re: Ask HN: How to do literal web searches after Google destroyed the “ ” feature?

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What happens if GOOG acquires Kagi?

I'm sure many folks, including me, would be willing to help Vlad organize a private acquisition if he suddenly had some pressing need to sell.

I love the idea

I challenge you to find a group of rich folks who will fund such a thing - and will not simply demand the same profits as current structures do.

I just tried this with ~30 wealthy individuals/family funds that I have great relationships with and literally everyone said some form of the following:

“I am not going to liquidate my current investments that are on IPO trajectory for something that by definition will not IPO, and my investments are to ensure my kids go to private school/colllege fund/etc…”

You need to convince people, who currently think that the goal of making/having money is to insulate them and their families from reality, to instead choose to make/have slightly less money so that somebody else can have an easier/better experience in a way that is still concomitant with commercial transactions.

Re: Ask HN: How to do literal web searches after Google destroyed the “ ” feature?

#120

Kagi. Never have I been so happy to send someone $10 every month. When you become the customer, not the product, it’s amazing what can happen.

Do you ever go past the 1,000 search "limit"?

I'm considering signing up; it would be one fewer service I'm relying on google for.

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