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Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by NamTaf » Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 9:11 PM UTC

kang wrote: post #131

NelsonMinar wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is LoL productions are still trying to make it look like you are watching actual athletes do a sport. If you lock the away in booths it puts too much of a distance between the audience and the players. OTOH crowd noise giving away what's going on in the game has been a problem since their broadcasts start. It doesn't ruin the game but it's definitely a factor.

One solution could be to standardize the "esport booth", so it becomes more like a squash court for example

That doesn’t account for the fact different esports demand different requirements, just as a squash booth isn’t used for tennis.

CS for example is also Valve but does not use booths. I think a major part of that is that the delay between audience reaction to an event and the event unfolding is much shorter, so the crowd can’t give as much away as quickly.

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by furyofantares » Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 9:12 PM UTC

seanthemon wrote: post #88

ricardobeat wrote: post #80

I wonder if they have looked into air curtains. Commercial installations are at a point where you have this silent, completely invisible sheet of fast-moving air that provides some degree of noise isolation as well - maybe four walls of these + a floating ceiling is enough when coupled with the noise-cancelling headphones.

I think leave the audience participation in, let the chaos rain supreme!

It would be less chaotic, not more.

Think of it this way: any time the audience starts going wild about something one team knows about but the other doesn't, they're doing so in anticipation of dramatic moment when the other team learns what happened and must adapt while the first time is trying to exploit it.

If it's given away instead, the anticipated event never happens or is muted because the enemy is not caught off guard.

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by Terr_ » Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 9:26 PM UTC

jaggederest wrote: post #153

flangola7 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then how is argon better than nitrogen and oxygen?

Argon transmits sound much worse than air. I believe it's due to the fact that denser gases require more energy to compress and decompress, thus dampening sound vibrations. Even more fancy windows use Krypton, since it has superior thermal and acoustic properties over Argon, but is about 60 times more expensive. Xenon would also be a candidate, but it's about 10 times more expensive even than krypton, and also has th…

> Xenon [...] an anesthetic when inhaled.

That reminds me of a bit of dialogue from the classic game Deus Ex (2000), where a biotech office-worker is complaining about their job:

> This chemoreceptor patent-proposal is kicking my ass. Hundley won't let me down until it's done. Hardly worth filing for, in my opinion. Who wants to smell the difference between xenon and radon?

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by dzddd » Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 9:41 PM UTC

Cyph0n wrote: post #64

xxs wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The term predates moba, it's early RTS, early MMO stuff, around late '90s, early 2000s.

Good to know, but based on numbers, most people would have been exposed to the term through MOBAs.

Most people have never played a MOBA.

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by none_to_remain » Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 9:45 PM UTC

Ctrl-F "stink": 0

Ctrl-F "stench": 0

Ctrl-F "smell": 1 hit but only for hot insulation smell

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by Cyph0n » Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 10:06 PM UTC

dzddd wrote: post #174

Cyph0n wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good to know, but based on numbers, most people would have been exposed to the term through MOBAs.

Most people have never played a MOBA.

We’re going in circles here.. where did I say most people have played MOBA?

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by cwillu » Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 10:12 PM UTC

nativeit wrote: post #155

jccalhoun wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Argon is commonly used for double glazed windows so I would assume that the manufacturer has the experience to do that. Vacuum insulated panels exist but since that is for insulating properties I don't know if there would be any advantage for sound deadening.

Sounds cannot pass through a vacuum, as sound is fundamentally pressure waves that propagate through air. Someone also mentioned the thermal properties of the fill gas (argon being less conductive than air) and it’s also correlated, as temperature is simply a measure of the kinetic energy of molecules, so a higher mass molecule will require more energy to move, which applies to both thermal conductivity and sound tra…

You can support two panes with a gas in between with a strip of soft rubber, whereas with vacuum, I suspect the rigidity of the frame needed to support the panes against atmospheric pressure can easily kill the gains you make in isolation.

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by roughly » Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 10:24 PM UTC

holoduke wrote: post #169

A bit off topic. But this site is auto translated? Its in Dutch for me and reads like a llm translated piece of text. Very unpleasant to read with overly long sentences and weird expressions.

It looks that way, yeah. It’s fine in English, but their “select languages” list has about 30 different languages listed, and I can’t imagine they’ve spent the money to do that the right way.

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by wnevets » Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 10:29 PM UTC

seanthemon wrote: post #88

ricardobeat wrote: post #80

I wonder if they have looked into air curtains. Commercial installations are at a point where you have this silent, completely invisible sheet of fast-moving air that provides some degree of noise isolation as well - maybe four walls of these + a floating ceiling is enough when coupled with the noise-cancelling headphones.

I think leave the audience participation in, let the chaos rain supreme!

There was a recent dota2 LAN without soundproofing and the audience would ruin surprise attacks (aka smoke tanks) or surprise objective taking (aka rosh), it made the gameplay worse.

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by AndriyKunitsyn » Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 10:37 PM UTC

holoduke wrote: post #169

A bit off topic. But this site is auto translated? Its in Dutch for me and reads like a llm translated piece of text. Very unpleasant to read with overly long sentences and weird expressions.

Valve uses volunteers for the majority of translation work. Some languages are lucky to have competent and committed volunteer translators, others not so much.