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Why Resumes Are Dead and How Indeed.com Keeps Killing the Job Market

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Re: Why Resumes Are Dead and How Indeed.com Keeps Killing the Job Market

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Post by lopatin »

yowlingcat wrote: post #9

While my sympathy goes out to this person, I think this entire long, rambling, post could be condensed to a paragraph, or even a sentence: "It was a mistake for me to use Indeed.com." If you want the job (of finding leads, and finding jobs) done right, hire a professional -- a recruiter who will charge a fee and is aligned towards you finding a job. Trying to cold-apply to every single job with a spray and pray appro…

+1 for using a recruiter. I used to think that it was for scrubs. Then after trying one, so many interviews and doors opened, and then after I got a couple offers, they even negotiated a higher salary for me ( playing one offer against the other .. something that is necessary but I suck at)

Re: Why Resumes Are Dead and How Indeed.com Keeps Killing the Job Market

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Post by giantg2 »

_8j50 wrote: post #68
adeon wrote: post #35

The author says they've been applying to thousands of jobs. This is the resume the author is linking in the article: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/v2sv6ev393z9fkk62v1hw/Paul-Fu... I wonder, if this person's main method of applying has been online forms where you click the "upload resume", he puts this resume in and then everything fails from the start because the ATS is unable to read it. It looks like the text in t…

2000 applications is quite rare. A posting is "hot" on indeed above the 50+ applicant mark from what I have seen. If you have under 150 resumes there is no reason why a human can't skip+prioritize a few times and read in detail the top 50 or so. A liberal 4 minutes per resume is 15/hr,120/8h. You can't spend or have someone spend one day reading resumés? In my earlier example of 50 resumes, that's less than half a da…

"You can't spend or have someone spend one day reading resumés?"

Managers are even lazier than devs.

Re: Why Resumes Are Dead and How Indeed.com Keeps Killing the Job Market

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Post by bsenftner »

I applied to indeed.com once, and it was the most demoralizing experience of my life.

I'm a fairly accomplished sr. software developer; my last official title was "sr software scientist".

I've worked on internationally famous software research projects, worked on the original tech for CD-ROMs at Philips, was on the OS teams of both the 3D0 and the original PlayStation (where I wrote the video subsystems), was lead or team member on several high profile EA Sports titles, was on the team that created the first Internet live video infrastructure, produced a live talk show, worked in VFX across the roles of developer, artist & financial analyst on 9 major release feature films, I've written and acquired a global patent in VFX technology, and was lead developer for one of the leading facial recognition systems now in a high percentage of the world's airports. I'm accomplished...

And what happened with my application at Indeed? The recruiter and I spoke for nearly an hour, when she asks "are you even a programmer? I've not heard you mention writing code once." Um... that was all I was talking about, and she did not understand a single bit, nor had the communication skills to ask for clarification at any point during that initial hour. WTF?!?!

Re: Why Resumes Are Dead and How Indeed.com Keeps Killing the Job Market

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Post by darkmarmot »

valdiorn wrote: post #57
ben_w wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Trying to cold-apply to every single job with a spray and pray approach is about as fruitful as cold calling every company you can to sell a product which may or may not apply to them. This also describes most of the recruiters who contact me; occasionally they happen to be aligned with me job hunting, but usually they were in the "java == javascript" category, and time has only changed this into the "all mobile de…

wtf? The recruiters in your area sound horrid. A lot of the recruiters in London and VERY on top of technology and know more than I do about current trends, languages and frameworks and exactly where to find people to fill every niche need their client companies have. To the point where they can follow the logic of "Client needs F# developers, F# is a functional programming language. I should look at former employees…

I have NEVER met a recruiter that seemed technically savvy at even the most minimal level. That's kind of astounding.

Re: Why Resumes Are Dead and How Indeed.com Keeps Killing the Job Market

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Post by nradov »

colesantiago wrote: post #16

In the age of AI, GPTs, LLMs, etc, CVs are completely over as they are now to be assumed to be generated. Only real world projects (not toy demos), years of experience, and other particularly interesting (but relevant) hobbies would work although I'm not sure they count here. I've now seen companies raising their ask for Masters - PhDs for SWEs due to this demand. What works best unfortunately is being hired/acquired…

Why would any hiring manager care whether a CV is AI generated? As long as the CV is accurate, the tool used to write it is irrelevant.

Re: Why Resumes Are Dead and How Indeed.com Keeps Killing the Job Market

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Post by bandrami »

The last time I was looking for a job was before the pandemic. I used Craigslist like I had since 1999 or so.

I glanced at it the other day and... it was just basically not there. Three programming jobs posted in the DC/NoVa area. How did that site manage to die, particularly if this is the alternative?

Re: Why Resumes Are Dead and How Indeed.com Keeps Killing the Job Market

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Post by adeon »

giantg2 wrote: post #70
adeon wrote: post #35

The author says they've been applying to thousands of jobs. This is the resume the author is linking in the article: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/v2sv6ev393z9fkk62v1hw/Paul-Fu... I wonder, if this person's main method of applying has been online forms where you click the "upload resume", he puts this resume in and then everything fails from the start because the ATS is unable to read it. It looks like the text in t…

Any good resume submission system should be capable of OCR. But what is this guy? Sounds like he's a designer, a communications specialist, team leader, and project manager. Just all over the place. I'm not sure what I'd hire them for. Edit: why disagree?

Are they actually good though? (the ATS systems) I've only recently learned how important they are in general and I'm not familiar with their capabilities.

I would think that even with OCR, this resume might be confusing because the years and contact information and stuff is kinda spread around.

If someone has has good insight how well/not well they work, I would appreciate if you commented about it.

Re: Why Resumes Are Dead and How Indeed.com Keeps Killing the Job Market

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Post by expertentipp »

pengaru wrote: post #59
BossingAround wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what the quote says. It'd be more like you waking up, eating the same thing every day, and expecting different outcomes from the eating, e.g. the level of satiety or the effect on your energy until lunch.

The quote is and always has been silly/wrong. Without a time machine you can't repeat the same thing. It's different every time.

Exactly Panta Rhei doesn't mean not to do the same thing repeatedly, it means even if one does it again, the water flows and the river is completely different.

Re: Why Resumes Are Dead and How Indeed.com Keeps Killing the Job Market

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Post by Accujack »

__rito__ wrote: post #33
EPWN3D wrote: post #29

My solution to this is to have a Markdown resume that is easy to decompose into any form fields an employer has. If they want a normal one, I produce a lightly-formatted PDF.

I have a LaTeX template that I edit and export to PDF. I also have one that is plain markdown and easy to customize, and it also works as an online CV via GitHub pages [0]. For jobs that I apply through lever, Firefox remembers all the fields! xD [0]: https://ritog.github.io

You can also automate form filling with Simplify co-pilot: https://simplify.jobs/copilot

You have to re-type or cut and paste everything one more time, but it should be the last time you have to do it.

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