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Why Resumes Are Dead and How Indeed.com Keeps Killing the Job Market

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Re: Why Resumes Are Dead and How Indeed.com Keeps Killing the Job Market

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Post by 38 »

adeon wrote: post #35

The author says they've been applying to thousands of jobs. This is the resume the author is linking in the article: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/v2sv6ev393z9fkk62v1hw/Paul-Fu... I wonder, if this person's main method of applying has been online forms where you click the "upload resume", he puts this resume in and then everything fails from the start because the ATS is unable to read it. It looks like the text in t…

100% agree. this thing is WAY too stylish. just put the information so that a computer can read it in. the annoyance factor is probably enough to reject him in some cases.

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Post by jenscow »

raincole wrote: post #38
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any recommendations on finding such middlemen?

Another middleman who is "professional" at finding middlemen, of course.

For a fee, I could get you in touch with a few people who are able to find middlemen

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Post by expertentipp »

Personally for me all three trains parted and there are no more trains arriving: job search, dating, real estate. I guess I will seat on the chair over here waiting for the third end of the world, because the two previous world ends I have also missed.

Re: Why Resumes Are Dead and How Indeed.com Keeps Killing the Job Market

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Post by liquidpele »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #31
yowlingcat wrote: post #9

While my sympathy goes out to this person, I think this entire long, rambling, post could be condensed to a paragraph, or even a sentence: "It was a mistake for me to use Indeed.com." If you want the job (of finding leads, and finding jobs) done right, hire a professional -- a recruiter who will charge a fee and is aligned towards you finding a job. Trying to cold-apply to every single job with a spray and pray appro…

Any recommendations on finding such middlemen?

For IT, Mark yourself looking on LinkedIn, follow up with the swarm that messages you. Focus one ones that use the actual company email, followed by ones that at least say what company it’s for (many won’t say). Be upfront about salary/location requirements, but double check about them in the interviews.

Re: Why Resumes Are Dead and How Indeed.com Keeps Killing the Job Market

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Post by gorbachev »

SamPatt wrote: post #39

I'm stuck in a similar loop and I understand the author's frustration. Everything feels automated, and it feels like all I can do is look forward to the rare moments when I actually speak with a person about their role and try to showcase my experience and skills. It's demoralizing. I've taken to doing freelance AI data annotation work, which is somewhat boring and not using my full capabilities, but while I'm in thi…

"Everything feels automated"

That's because they are.

ATS solutions are a cancer. I used to work for a company that was trying to make the job application process easier. It didn't work, because at the end, there was an ATS behind it all.

Re: Why Resumes Are Dead and How Indeed.com Keeps Killing the Job Market

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Post by BossingAround »

rwmj wrote: post #28
readyplayernull wrote: post #8

The worst resume forms are those from Workday, I run from them like the plague. You will probably need a new email to create an account for each job application. And if you get the job, you'll have to deal with their unbearable UX where nothing can be reached directly, but needs you to dive in a menu to a page that requires clicking a box to a link to a page with a small grid view. What were they thinking!?

Workday = the absolutely terrible SaaS software that we have to use for quarterly evaluations and booking time off? That truly is an awful, awful piece of software.

Oh god I forgot about the quarterly evaluations.

Re: Why Resumes Are Dead and How Indeed.com Keeps Killing the Job Market

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Post by valdiorn »

ben_w wrote: post #46
yowlingcat wrote: post #9

While my sympathy goes out to this person, I think this entire long, rambling, post could be condensed to a paragraph, or even a sentence: "It was a mistake for me to use Indeed.com." If you want the job (of finding leads, and finding jobs) done right, hire a professional -- a recruiter who will charge a fee and is aligned towards you finding a job. Trying to cold-apply to every single job with a spray and pray appro…

> Trying to cold-apply to every single job with a spray and pray approach is about as fruitful as cold calling every company you can to sell a product which may or may not apply to them. This also describes most of the recruiters who contact me; occasionally they happen to be aligned with me job hunting, but usually they were in the "java == javascript" category, and time has only changed this into the "all mobile de…

wtf? The recruiters in your area sound horrid.

A lot of the recruiters in London and VERY on top of technology and know more than I do about current trends, languages and frameworks and exactly where to find people to fill every niche need their client companies have. To the point where they can follow the logic of "Client needs F# developers, F# is a functional programming language. I should look at former employees of companies X,Y, and Z because they use Clojure and OCaml, so those guys might have the necessary background - but I really need to sell it to them because they might be scared away by Microsoft and .NET".

Re: Why Resumes Are Dead and How Indeed.com Keeps Killing the Job Market

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Post by Aeolun »

dboreham wrote: post #10

Never used indeed.com once. But...people should know that these sites, and recruiters, are basically hiring theater. Almost all jobs (perhaps excepting FAANG meat grinder) are filled through personal connections.

> Almost all jobs (perhaps excepting FAANG meat grinder) are filled through personal connections.

I’ve hired roughly 10 people and all of them came in through recruiters. I don’t think my company ever considers direct applications, even though that’s an option on LinkedIn. They just never pass HR to actually arrive at the interview stage.

Re: Why Resumes Are Dead and How Indeed.com Keeps Killing the Job Market

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Post by pengaru »

BossingAround wrote: post #24
expertentipp wrote: post #21

> “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” This is the quote from the last powerpoint slide by cute girl from consulting agency. Sweetheart I wake up every morning, eat and drink the same, and yes I expect this day will be different.

That's not what the quote says. It'd be more like you waking up, eating the same thing every day, and expecting different outcomes from the eating, e.g. the level of satiety or the effect on your energy until lunch.

The quote is and always has been silly/wrong.

Without a time machine you can't repeat the same thing. It's different every time.

Re: Why Resumes Are Dead and How Indeed.com Keeps Killing the Job Market

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Post by gamepsys »

yowlingcat wrote: post #9

While my sympathy goes out to this person, I think this entire long, rambling, post could be condensed to a paragraph, or even a sentence: "It was a mistake for me to use Indeed.com." If you want the job (of finding leads, and finding jobs) done right, hire a professional -- a recruiter who will charge a fee and is aligned towards you finding a job. Trying to cold-apply to every single job with a spray and pray appro…

> While my sympathy goes out to this person, I think this entire long, rambling, post could be condensed to a paragraph, or even a sentence: "It was a mistake for me to use Indeed.com."

I think there's more than one paragraph worth of value here, but I agree I had to skim through to make finding it tolerable. I specifically liked the sections talking directly about how Indeed operates, what their incentives are, and how companies and business interact with the website.

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