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Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by doikor » Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 1:16 PM UTC

donatj wrote: post #27

I don’t really get esports or regular sports for that matter, but this seems like overkill? How much of an advantage could they really get from someone yelling at them in the audience? With a decent audience they are rarely going to hear anything other than a din anyway. Doesn’t seem like much more of an advantage than people yelling things at baseball players? Seems like it could just be part of the calculation of t…

> Doesn’t seem like much more of an advantage than people yelling things at baseball players?

The baseball equivalent would be the crowd knowing signals between the pitchers and catcher and yell them out so the batter always know what pitch is coming. (this is pretty much the only hidden information in baseball)

That would pretty much ruin the game (in some players/fans mind at least). And in fact this is something the MLB is actively trying to solve by providing encrypted signal communication devices so players don't have to rely on finger/etc signals that can be decrypted by the opposing team.

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by Aachen » Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 1:16 PM UTC

kzrdude wrote: post #14

Unfortunately, they serve a machine translated version of the blog text. Well, I don't even know. The language is technically correct I guess, but completely without life and using expressions that one would use in english. That's not bad for an automatic translation.

Oh, that's good to know. I was surprised to see a German article on HN and, while it's not the first time, I did kinda expect it was a translation. But I didn't think it was a machine translation: anyone so bad at English that they can't read a regular text about a topic they're interested in will be used to running pages through a translator, probably via a browser extension. No need to serve up a machine translation noninteractively.

As a German learner, I take every German text at least somewhat as a learning experience and look at the conjugations used. If it had said "this is a computer-generated text" above, I'd have done that. Now I'm not sure what mistakes I've been using as example...

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by amelius » Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 1:17 PM UTC

dubcanada wrote: post #37

wincy wrote: post #4

It was definitely an interesting article but the first sentence of the article proper really grabbed me. The weird thing to me about the world is you can have an event that literally millions of people watch around the world, and if you had asked me “what’s the International” five minutes ago I wouldn’t have had any idea, and I’m a very online person! I play video games, even, and at one point played DOTA2! The inter…

That's strange, The International is a very well known esport event, the biggest in it's hayday, it's certainly dropped off, but at one point there wasn't a way to open Steam without seeing details about the International. While I agree with your premise, The International was heavily advertised on Steam products. Which is the biggest gaming store. Outside of that, there was minimal but anyone who watched esports saw…

Another datapoint here: I didn't know about the event either.

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by xxs » Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 1:17 PM UTC

Cyph0n wrote: post #49

xxs wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd have considered 'gank' a fairly known/used term.

Not for people who’ve never played MOBAs.

The term predates moba, it's early RTS, early MMO stuff, around late '90s, early 2000s.

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by ufo » Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 1:17 PM UTC

donatj wrote: post #34

andy81 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The noise is a common giveaway in pro League of Legends despite similar efforts. Usually when a player is walking up to a hidden enemy the crowd changes in a noticeable way, even on the stream. It's not an individual shout so much as the overall noise.

And what I am saying is why is this a bad thing. Just make it part of the competition, seems way more fun.

A baseball analogy would be if sign-stealing were allowed.

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by TheDong » Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 1:18 PM UTC

dubcanada wrote: post #37

wincy wrote: post #4

It was definitely an interesting article but the first sentence of the article proper really grabbed me. The weird thing to me about the world is you can have an event that literally millions of people watch around the world, and if you had asked me “what’s the International” five minutes ago I wouldn’t have had any idea, and I’m a very online person! I play video games, even, and at one point played DOTA2! The inter…

That's strange, The International is a very well known esport event, the biggest in it's hayday, it's certainly dropped off, but at one point there wasn't a way to open Steam without seeing details about the International. While I agree with your premise, The International was heavily advertised on Steam products. Which is the biggest gaming store. Outside of that, there was minimal but anyone who watched esports saw…

> The International was heavily advertised on Steam products. Which is the biggest gaming store.

The biggest gaming store is almost certainly the Android Google Play Store's gaming section. It also wouldn't surprise me if the nintendo eShop is larger than the steam store, but at the very least I'm very confident in Google Play and iOS app stores being larger than steam for games.

I think the majority of gamers have never played a PC game or watched esports. The parent post only said "I even played games", and you jumped to "watching esports" and "twitch". Watching esports is a tiny niche of gamers. Watching twitch also is.

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by brainzap » Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 1:18 PM UTC

That the players can see each other also allows for some mindgames, for example “the paper” https://youtu.be/ymWj2brfZlA?feature=shared

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by fragmede » Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 1:19 PM UTC

__s wrote: post #12

wincy wrote: post #4

It was definitely an interesting article but the first sentence of the article proper really grabbed me. The weird thing to me about the world is you can have an event that literally millions of people watch around the world, and if you had asked me “what’s the International” five minutes ago I wouldn’t have had any idea, and I’m a very online person! I play video games, even, and at one point played DOTA2! The inter…

TI is a bit notorious because it's prize pool is massive compared to other esports. Winning TI puts someone's prize earnings past lifetime earnings of most other top player's career prize earnings in other games https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International#Tournaments https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Portal:Statistics/Player_earnin... https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Winnings https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Portal:St…

1st place in 2022 got $8,518,822! Nice!

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by ufo » Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 1:20 PM UTC

TheDong wrote: post #56

dubcanada wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's strange, The International is a very well known esport event, the biggest in it's hayday, it's certainly dropped off, but at one point there wasn't a way to open Steam without seeing details about the International. While I agree with your premise, The International was heavily advertised on Steam products. Which is the biggest gaming store. Outside of that, there was minimal but anyone who watched esports saw…

> The International was heavily advertised on Steam products. Which is the biggest gaming store. The biggest gaming store is almost certainly the Android Google Play Store's gaming section. It also wouldn't surprise me if the nintendo eShop is larger than the steam store, but at the very least I'm very confident in Google Play and iOS app stores being larger than steam for games. I think the majority of gamers have n…

And to add to that, Dota e-sports is particularly insular among other e-sports: https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2015/02/04/visual-mapping-of-twitc...

Re: The Sound Proof Booths of Silence

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Post by alargemoose » Sun, Sep 17, 2023, 1:20 PM UTC

bspammer wrote: post #17

__s wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TI is a bit notorious because it's prize pool is massive compared to other esports. Winning TI puts someone's prize earnings past lifetime earnings of most other top player's career prize earnings in other games https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International#Tournaments https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Portal:Statistics/Player_earnin... https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Winnings https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Portal:St…

To hammer it home even more: https://www.esportsearnings.com/players 21 dota players at the top before you get a different game (Fortnite)

Wow, Not only are the top 21 dota 2 players, all but *4* of the top 50 earners are dota 2 players