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Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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On the US west coast, I just bought 1,816 grams (4 pounds) of raw peanuts for $8.00. Edit: if the comparison is dry salted peanuts, then Walmart sells Planters brand for ~$3.50 per 500 grams.

NL: house brand supermarket : e1,80/500g ( or less ), roasted salted.

Tbf the Dutch love pinda’s. I not convinced people don’t bathe in sate sauce it’s so cheap.

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> Scraping is huge business for people who don’t have your best interests in mind, too. I liked how the thread observed that competitor supermarkets were rapidly converging prices on adjustments. And assumed this meant collusion. Why collude when you can just hire grey-market high frequency scrapers to detect your competitors' repricing and trigger your own?

Looking at supermarket (or any) prices, publicly posted, in-store or online, is not remotely grey market.

Scraping them with high fidelity and frequency, and then selling that data commercially... and then buying that data from a provider and updating your prices using them...

Probably isn't something a company with potential monopoly concerns (read: Walmart et al.) would want be be overly open about.

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Scraping is huge business for people who don’t have your best interests in mind, too. There are many businesses built on the idea of gathering as much of people’s data as they can find in the public internet and selling it to anyone willing to pay. Contrary to what many people thing, Facebook, Google, and other companies do not sell your data! They are ad companies that use their private data to target ads, but they…

> Scraping is huge business for people who don’t have your best interests in mind, too. I liked how the thread observed that competitor supermarkets were rapidly converging prices on adjustments. And assumed this meant collusion. Why collude when you can just hire grey-market high frequency scrapers to detect your competitors' repricing and trigger your own?

I haven't seen one in a while, but this sort of thing used to go off the rails on amazon. I tried to buy a 10 trillion dollar chair--presumably algorithmically priced--but the checkout process broke before I could see what the CC company would say about it.

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I lived in Austria and in Germany and it's 100% true, prices in supermarkets are significantly higher in Austria even for products produced in Austria. The reasons IMO are: * less price sensitivity: German people are extremely price sensitive, they discuss and compare prices all the time. In Austria people care way less about this on average. Supermarkets take advantage * higher logistics costs: population density in…

same is true for Canada vs USA. always more expensive products, and less selection in Canada.

This goes beyond just groceries. I've lived in a few countries that vary in population from hundreds of millions to just a few million and the impact of scale is very noticeable.

It's very intuitive, but the actual impact is eye opening. I've found that for almost all products and services, the size of the US results in far more companies offering said product/service, which results in a lot more competition and better prices.

You see it not just across consumer items, but things like financial services.

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Discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37530314

You're right, of course, but that one got hit by the flamewar detector (kind of correctly, unfortunately), which sank the thread. There's obviously community interest in this story, so I think we'll leave the current thread up and merge the comments hither. As compensation for luu (surely one of the best HN submitters of all time) I've put this one in the second-chance pool, which will give it a random placement on t…

Wow, thank you!

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Notably, this happened before any of these events, and to help you with Austrian history, the entire "family" has been since dismissed. (Kneissl is now a blogger in Russia, far from Austria or its politics.)

Russian ties in Austria have been strong for a couple of years and they’re simply coming to light (mentioning this in context of energy trade) Austrian spymaster warns of Russian ties as far right claws back support https://on.ft.com/45UTDUp As well in context of security apparatus cooperation Journalist Who Exposed Russia Spies Flees Vienna on Safety Fears https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-02/journalis…

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Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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Russian ties in Austria have been strong for a couple of years and they’re simply coming to light (mentioning this in context of energy trade) Austrian spymaster warns of Russian ties as far right claws back support https://on.ft.com/45UTDUp As well in context of security apparatus cooperation Journalist Who Exposed Russia Spies Flees Vienna on Safety Fears https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-02/journalis…

This is tied to those days of the coalition of the conservative party with the FPÖ, which terminated on Mai 28, 2019 (which is significantly before 2022), with strong positions of the FPÖ in the entire security apparatus (including some infights with strongholds of the conservative party in these institutions, related court cases ongoing). Kneissl left already before this, in early June 2019. The FPÖ had actually sig…

Thanks for your comments. I appreciate the details.

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Now in Poland every promotion needs to display lowest price for the product in last 30 days l, effectively countering this strategy.

That explains why Good Old Games has that display for games that are "on sale". Does Steam honor that requirement?

They did add it, not for everyone but it is there: https://x.com/SteamDB/status/1664912800806842370?s=20

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Today at Aldi I saw a pudding [0] which I was about to grab, until I saw the price. 1.88€ for 500ml. My first thought was that I'm paying 1.90 for a VPS which gives me a static IPv4, 1 vCore, 2GB RAM, 20GB SSD and unlimited bandwidth (40 TB unthrottled, 100mbit/s throttled). How does this even relate in terms of value? I would have expected something below 80ct, but some of the prices which products have, have become…

Which provider offers such a cheap VPS?

You can find some on lowendbox.com Some go for ~$10/yr tho I wouldnt put anything important there.

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In Germany while the taxes for a typical full time grocery store worker would be higher, Germany has an extraordinary amount of "mini jobber" working in grocery stores which drives down the cost. Expensive regulation is for instance the Ladenzeitgesetz which restricts a retailer to a regulated number of hours a week with very little freedom to operate the business. Stores need to close before 9, are only allowed to o…

I don't see how restricting opening hours is an "expensive" regulation? What about it makes things more expensive?

It helps incumbents. Incumbents have in part exemptions to the rules since they own stores which through other permits can have extended opening times. For instance stores in some train stations can open on Sundays and longer.

It puts new and smaller players at a massive disadvantage.

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