Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites
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#283I'm not sure how other mastodon servers look, but this one is light years ahead of Twitter in terms of readability. I hope someone eventually writes a tell-all book about exactly what was wrong with that company and its approach to product design.
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#284This is a great thread, and it shows the power of smart, tech-capable citizens.
>it shows the power of smart, tech-capable citizens Consumers in Austria who travel abroad/to Germany often, already knew they were getting scammed for a long time now, but couldn't prove it and now they can, so the more important question is what will come out of it, as the data shows the big retailers clearly cooperating on price fixing. My guess, nothing, as the government regulators who are supposed to watch over…
The data does not clearly show that at all. It shows the expected result of inflation in a competitive market.
When Company A decides that it's time to raise prices on Product B due to inflation (maybe their wholesale price went up), Company C, being under the same market pressures to raise prices, also raises their price but, because they still want to be competitive, they don't raise them beyond Company A. Reacting to the market isn't collusion, anti-competitive or anti-consumer. If you just reverse the direction the prices are going, it seems a lot less sinister and it's still the exact same inputs/outputs.
The whole thread is made of points like that, especially the "asymmetrical information warfare" bit. He's scraping the websites for this data, right? Obviously that information is available at home. Moreover, the situation has actually dramatically improved because of the internet. You can now put together a cart on two different websites and go to the cheaper store if you'd like. Try doing that twenty years ago. I used to have to read the weekly ad to know these things, now I can just look online.
The _only_ point that's being made is that Austrian prices are a bit higher than other nations and, for some reason, he thinks it's because the companies are conspiring in some way and not that it's, for some reason, more expensive for those companies to operate in Austria. That seems like the obvious solution to me since they appear to have a competitive market with a few major players.
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#285As an Austrian dev and consumer who has closely followed this throughout the year: it's soo frustrating to see how we're ripped off for no good reason, but nothing changes and nobody cares. Hats off to Mario for sticking with the topic and not losing his mind over this infuriating madness.
not austrian but I live in austria. at first I was like, okay, higher inflation post covid like everything else, but now at this point where I see prices still rising, it's starting to just feel like a blatant cash grab HOWEVER, i will add - what do people expect when you give everyone 500 extra EUR a year via this klima bonus? how is that supposed to reduce inflation? my guess is the grocery chains are leaning into…
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#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
Notably, this happened before any of these events, and to help you with Austrian history, the entire "family" has been since dismissed. (Kneissl is now a blogger in Russia, far from Austria or its politics.)
Russian ties in Austria have been strong for a couple of years and they’re simply coming to light (mentioning this in context of energy trade) Austrian spymaster warns of Russian ties as far right claws back support https://on.ft.com/45UTDUp As well in context of security apparatus cooperation Journalist Who Exposed Russia Spies Flees Vienna on Safety Fears https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-02/journalis…
The FPÖ had actually signed a cooperation agreement with Putin's party "United Russia" in 2016, which is not to terminate before 2026.
Austria and Vienna in particular as a "playground for spies" is something entirely different and goes back to the days even before the Cold War era. Austria has, like many other countries, only laws against espionage which is against its own interests. So espionage against an other country has been perfectly legal. This also served a vital function in the Cold War era, where Austria, also after WWII a neutral country and explicitly so as a buffer between blocks, played a bridging role and was a crucial exchange. However, most of this espionage was actually what we would now call open source intelligence and it was really more a matter of proximity to the places of actual interest.
(On the other hand, the Austrian military intelligence has some agreements of cooperation with the NSA and won't report to parliament on the matter, while the latter still has official oversight. As citizens, we can only guess. So, I wouldn't say that this is particularly lopsided in favour of any Eastern interests. Moreover, Austria installed a law, which fines relaying any Russian sources by up to EUR 50,000, rather early on in the conflict.)
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#287Had a "oh shit" moment reading the article. I live in Germany, and of course buy groceries. The "discount" games seem very obvious now. Food expenses have risen very significantly recently. Great article, I hope this gains more traction and or legal ramifications for the grocers.
One trick I noticed while doing data input for supermarkets (in a different market) is that price rises are always advertised as promotions. Say a supermarket has a $1.10 item and they want to increase that product to $1.50. They'll up the price to $1.50 immediately, and add a "40c off" to the ticket. The consumer sees "promotion" and assumes it's a discount, when it's actually just the same price as usual. Then ~2 w…
As long as the price doesn't go back to $1.10 after the promotion is over, I don't see anything wrong with that.
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#288Fellow Austrian here. Nice price comparison project, but the elephant in the room is that grocery store prices in Germany are 20-40% lower for the same product. Explanation from the supermarket chains are shady at best (more stores per capita compared to Germany, they are forced to buy from more expensive Austrian distributors etc). I heard similar things from Belgium (higher prices than in France) My point is: we ne…
Related, I’m currently in Greece and the price of locally produced peaches is higher here than the price of the same Greek-produced peaches is in Romania (from where I’m from). Noticed it today and it blew my mind, not sure how the people of Greece put up with this bs (the price of gasoline is also way higher).
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#289I lived in Austria and in Germany and it's 100% true, prices in supermarkets are significantly higher in Austria even for products produced in Austria. The reasons IMO are: * less price sensitivity: German people are extremely price sensitive, they discuss and compare prices all the time. In Austria people care way less about this on average. Supermarkets take advantage * higher logistics costs: population density in…
Even funnier was the fact that they now have Christmas products on the shelves, "Wintertraum Lebkuchen". Then again, I read a Reddit post some months ago which explained why they're doing this (might as well put it there instead of into storage).
[0] https://www.aldi-sued.de/de/p.dr-oetker-kirschgruetze-oder-s...
Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites
#290I'm not sure how other mastodon servers look, but this one is light years ahead of Twitter in terms of readability. I hope someone eventually writes a tell-all book about exactly what was wrong with that company and its approach to product design.