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Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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> Well, about 6 years ago, the 3 big telecom operators in Austria raised the prices together at the exact same time, and the government body in charge of overseeing these things said they have no proof that the 3 operators colluded together for price fixing and it could just be a coincidence, case closed. I would love a citation for that.

It's longer ago but they did it in the Netherlands: https://www.acm.nl/sites/default/files/old_publication/publi... Years later they couldn't find any direct evidence but providers were subsequently only not-guilty if they could show long term planning. With a duo- or tripoly it's not hard to have fix your prices together. This especially happens in the high-entry cost markets like telecom.

Well the person I replied to makes a very specific claim. That prices were raised 6 years ago by all operators at the same time and that the regulator did not fault them. Neither can I find evidence of that price hike, nor can I find a statement by the regulator.

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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>I took the thing down in fear of retaliation by the grocery chains. My plan: get a big NGO, news outlet or political party to host the thing and be a legal shield for the endevour.

Imagine how much good could be done in the world if developers could create things for the common good without fear of corporate legal retaliation.

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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If it's like the UK, there is so much "shrinkflation" (reduction in product size [and cheapening of ingredients]) that prices comparison is going to need per gram pricing. Identical looking packs now have extra air gaps: inflated chocolate bar wrappers, ice-cream cones with a 1cm gap below the lid, butter cartons have a recessed base, packages that formerly had straight sides now taper, etc. ... lots of these "tricks…

> that prices comparison is going to need per gram pricing Not entirely sure what you mean here, but we do have per gram pricing requirements (expressed in £/KG). EDIT: oh you mean that shrinkflation is so bad that £/gram will make more sense. Hah yeah The trouble is that grocers have figured out that if you fool the population in to using a 'loyalty' card, you can make everything a 'promotional price' and avoid the…

It seems like we have all of the tools necessary to take a picture of a segment of store shelf and have the price data extracted from the photo, associated with the item itself, cross referenced, etc, and then show you an overlay with the best deals highlighted.

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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I was pondering about an idea for an app that will crowdsource prices of items and their development in the time. You know, to be aware when there is some product discount, but during the discount period, the original price is higher that usual which means customer is being mislead.

This practice, although prevalent, is not legal in EU [1]

The app would let you track prices for products in individual stores by scanning their EANs. You could see price development and website could show stores that use unfair pricing.

Seems doable to me but I may be missing some technical challenges that would come with implementing this approach.

[1] https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/unfair-treat...

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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post #254

I was pondering about an idea for an app that will crowdsource prices of items and their development in the time. You know, to be aware when there is some product discount, but during the discount period, the original price is higher that usual which means customer is being mislead. This practice, although prevalent, is not legal in EU [1] The app would let you track prices for products in individual stores by scanni…

I don’t know about rest of EU, but here in Slovakia, every receipt has a QR code.

You can send that number to API for receipt verification - and it returns all line items and prices.

If we could get people to scan the receipts (expense tracking for example) we would have massive amount of crowdsourced data.

Wish I had time to pursue this idea!

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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greed and pursuit of increased profits is a good reason

Sure, those are the reasons, but I don't believe in Austrian exceptionalism. Really curious what's special about the market here that allows companies to exploit the people like this.

They proved Austria has the problem. They didn't prove it's exceptional.

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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Red Bull is not made in Austria, at least not necessarily. The European company is headquartered there, but its business model is largely just owning the IP. The filling of Red Bull cans is outsourced to Rauch, which produces at least some of the product in Switzerland.

Famously cheap Switzerland. I get the feeling that the same tricks are being played in Switzerland. Coop and Migros feel a lot like a duopoly, and discounts also cyclical. Not unusual to see 40% discount on outrageously overpriced detergents, for example. I do most of my shopping in Germany.

It's also a difference in mentality. Germans just want cheap stuff.

Swiss restaurants also feel overpriced. But I've never been to a bad Swiss restaurant.

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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post #254

I was pondering about an idea for an app that will crowdsource prices of items and their development in the time. You know, to be aware when there is some product discount, but during the discount period, the original price is higher that usual which means customer is being mislead. This practice, although prevalent, is not legal in EU [1] The app would let you track prices for products in individual stores by scanni…

Shoutout to Switzerland's amazon, Galaxus & Digitec, who show price development graphs out of the box

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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post #254

I was pondering about an idea for an app that will crowdsource prices of items and their development in the time. You know, to be aware when there is some product discount, but during the discount period, the original price is higher that usual which means customer is being mislead. This practice, although prevalent, is not legal in EU [1] The app would let you track prices for products in individual stores by scanni…

CCC(camel camel camel) extension was doing that for amazon products and related webpages i believe

In these days that all grocers are going e-store, its only a matter of time

Re: Tracking Austrian grocery prices by scraping store sites

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I lived in Austria and in Germany and it's 100% true, prices in supermarkets are significantly higher in Austria even for products produced in Austria.

The reasons IMO are: * less price sensitivity: German people are extremely price sensitive, they discuss and compare prices all the time. In Austria people care way less about this on average. Supermarkets take advantage * higher logistics costs: population density in Austria is less than in Germany. Furthermore, many supermarkets are located in areas hard to reach like mountain areas. Higher logistic costs translate to higher prices * VAT is slightly higher in Austria * unqualified labor that works in supermarkets and logistics makes slightly more money in Austria than in Germany * there indeed is a higher supermarket tensity in Austria than in Germany. Supermarkets of the same company appear more appealing in Austria than in Germany: nicer presentation of food, cleaner, way less people in the line waiting. All this makes them more expensive

For all these reasons mentioned above prices are higher. I argue it's mostly related to consumer choices. If they would care so much about prices and so little about esthetics as in Germany then prices would come down. If people would start to walk the extra mile for the cheaper supermarket prices would come down.

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