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Re: The Tyranny of the Marginal User

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Sport gear companies? Just selling you a lifestyle and an identity. Meditation apps feel more like someone exploiting a fad than some with an actual interest in your wellbeing.

I dunno, I think that might be overly cynical. You might as well complain that a brain surgeon only removes tumors because they get money for it. Does Nike want me to run and jump less , to participate in sports less , to work out less often? No, they run expensive ad campaigns encouraging me to make exercise a regular part of my life. To sell apparel, yes, but they aren't telling me to eat more cheeseburgers or drin…

Where is their skin in the game?

A doctor that makes a bad diagnostic might suffer a malpractice lawsuit, or at the very least will be known for their incompetence. What happens with Nike for customers that bought their products but never get to do anything? Do they give any type of money back?

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it's an interesting counter narrative then to the currently in vogue idea that you can stop individual ad targeting and instead target people based on their high level interests. Reddit is like a distillation of that, the logical end point of it ... if that is a dead end, Google is in for a rough time with the pathway they are pursuing with Chrome.

My experience with Reddit ads (years ago now) wasn't that subreddit-level targeting was bad—there's a reason sponsored content is such a big marketing channel, after all—but rather that the ads platform just never worked very well. And by "never worked very well," I don't just mean "We ran ads without good results." The whole experience was just sort of confusing and underwhelming, especially when compared to other c…

Ads almost always lead to mostly fake/bot clicks: https://www.reddit.com/r/marketing/comments/4smisl/facebook_...

Re: The Tyranny of the Marginal User

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> We’ve all been Marl at one time or another This, to me, is the key line in this quite good article. It's not that software companies are catering to those other people who are infinitely stupid and deserving of our scorn. It's that they are catering to the worse impulses in all of us and encouraging us to become those people.

Yes and no 98% of Spotify users never take any action other than “press play” on a radio station 2% take some kind of agency (create a playlist, like a song) A vanishingly small amount create personal or public curated playlists Yes, that very small amount may also listen passively sometimes, but the difference matters. Imagine if Spotify was just a radio station.

Those numbers are most certainly made up. I didn't even know about radios on Spotify for the longest time.

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I dunno, I think that might be overly cynical. You might as well complain that a brain surgeon only removes tumors because they get money for it. Does Nike want me to run and jump less , to participate in sports less , to work out less often? No, they run expensive ad campaigns encouraging me to make exercise a regular part of my life. To sell apparel, yes, but they aren't telling me to eat more cheeseburgers or drin…

Where is their skin in the game? A doctor that makes a bad diagnostic might suffer a malpractice lawsuit, or at the very least will be known for their incompetence. What happens with Nike for customers that bought their products but never get to do anything? Do they give any type of money back?

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Re: The Tyranny of the Marginal User

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Smartphones was the final nail, after that close to 100% of young adults are active online participants. The good thing is that things aren't getting worse at least, all the idiots are already online.

I suspect smartphones affect this in two ways. One is that they put the Internet in everybody's hands, literally. The other, though, is that by virtue of the interface, both display (tiny) and input (shitty, to put it mildly), the effective IQ of those participating, regardless of whatever it was initially , is severely penalised. When I'm typing at a keyboard, I can look at the words I'm typing, or the source I'm ty…

Have you ever heard about the MessagEase keyboard? It's a pretty radical departure from the usual touch qwerty. Once you get the muscle memory down, you can even disable the letters completely. Right now I'm typing on a featureless black 3x3 grid (save for a purple dot in the center). It's a great conversation starter too, cause folks see me typing and are universally like "wtf how are you typing".

I never thought of it, but now that you mention it, yeah my eyes are on the text, not on the typing.

I switched to messagease in the first place because I make far less mistakes and it's faster to fix a one-letter goof than redo a whole word with swype (sometimes several times, also the gestures fail on unusual or jargon words).

https://www.exideas.com/ME/index.php

Re: The Tyranny of the Marginal User

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Anybody else remember the data blog posts? Those were interesting and satisfying. It was another confirmation that I'd found the right dating site and probably a like-minded userbase.

I fondly remember the one that showed men's rating of women approaching almost a perfect normal distribution, and then the men messaging mostly the hot ones anyway, whereas the women rated most men as ugly and then sloping downward toward very few as good looking, kind of like an exponential distribution, but that they also messaged the men almost exactly in tandem - uglier getting the most, with a steady drop as men…

I remember reading that analysis at the time and thinking it was flawed.

What it didn't seem to account for was if you rated someone high enough (I can't remember if it required 4 or 5 stars), OKCupid would notify the person in question that you had done so. If you didn't want these notifications being fired off you had to adjust your ratings accordingly - now 3 stars is the highest rating you are going to give.

I think the stats really just ended up reflecting that men were generally more comfortable having their ratings broadcast than women were.

Re: The Tyranny of the Marginal User

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to paraphrase a director: "any club that would let me be in it is a club that I probably shouldn't be in"

It's never gauche to quote Marx.[1] Especially Groucho. He wasn't a director , though, as far as I can tell.[2] [1] https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0000050/quotes [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groucho_Marx

"director" is probably a reference to Woody Allen quoting Groucho Marx in Annie Hall [1]. It's a great movie btw. Comes highly recommended from Roger Ebert [2].

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejnp589JuL0

[2] https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/great-movie-annie-hall-19...

Re: The Tyranny of the Marginal User

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I suspect smartphones affect this in two ways. One is that they put the Internet in everybody's hands, literally. The other, though, is that by virtue of the interface, both display (tiny) and input (shitty, to put it mildly), the effective IQ of those participating, regardless of whatever it was initially , is severely penalised. When I'm typing at a keyboard, I can look at the words I'm typing, or the source I'm ty…

Have you ever heard about the MessagEase keyboard? It's a pretty radical departure from the usual touch qwerty. Once you get the muscle memory down, you can even disable the letters completely. Right now I'm typing on a featureless black 3x3 grid (save for a purple dot in the center). It's a great conversation starter too, cause folks see me typing and are universally like "wtf how are you typing". I never thought of…

I haven't, though I do recall Graffiti from PalmOS with some fondness.

The concept here does look as if it fits touchscreens better, appreciate your mentioning it.

Re: The Tyranny of the Marginal User

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Well they started off in Boston and were MIT/Harvard grad students. And the backend was a DARPA project. So not really Brooklyn at heart, though some millennial New Yorkers pretended it was. They even had a personality trait for how much a user reminded them of Harvard girls. Like many "only in New York!" things it was really something that had mass appeal and gave a sense of quirkiness that was actually widespread i…

> And the backend was a DARPA project. the similarity/CF stuff? what was the DARPA project? other than that it seemed a rather ordinary consumer webapp?

Not sure if it was DARPA, but the web server used Tame, a custom event-driven framework at a time where the thread vs. events debate was all the rage in the academic community. (I did a PhD on the topic and that's how I learned about Ok Cupid!)

You can read the paper they published: "events can make sense" https://www.usenix.org/legacy/events/usenix07/tech/krohn.htm...

I met some ex-OkCupid engineers at a later company who said the framework was smart but a pain to maintain in then long run.

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I remember WAP, and had an early-phase smartphone with limited Web support (Palm Treo/Centro) which ... remains one of the better phones that I've had (hard keyboard among other features). You wouldn't want to read much on that, but as a quick on-the-go reference, particularly when travelling, it was handy. One of my daily drivers is a large (13.3") e-ink tablet. Reading on that is actually a pleasure, though it's le…

The eyesight I wouldn't complain at all. Until recently I didn't need glasses, except for reading. Hypermetropia is also called far-sightness for a reason. Worst period is when I only used glasses for the screen. Someone would come to interrupt and talk, I took the glasses off, then we were commenting on the screen contents, I put it on again, then back to talk and glasses off... At home I use a 27'' screen with the…

Gradient lenses may be in your future...

The problem of focusing at multiple distances is ... a challenge.

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