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California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Post by kepler1 »

addaon wrote: post #20
kepler1 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks, that spurred me to read about it given the link above. > " This bill would require the agency to establish, by January 1, 2026, an accessible deletion mechanism that, among other things, allows a consumer, through a single verifiable consumer request, to request that every data broker that maintains any personal information delete any personal information related to that consumer held by the data broker or as…

Deleting data from backups (or, more often, aging out backups and deleting them wholesale) is usually a batch process. You really don't want to have to do online modification of backups... they're not really backups at that point. 45 days doesn't seem unreasonable.

Well... doesn't that circumvent the point of backups? Backups in my mind are supposed to be like read-only, can never be modified so that the system that was corrupted can't do anything harmful to the safe previous checkpoint.

I guess it has to have some method of what you mention then. If someone wants their data deleted, yes, what about the backups?

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Post by willio58 »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #36

I want a bill which would let me just ban all data brokers forever. I don't mind first parties to save some relevant data necessary for them to do their job, I can even understand 3rd parties like Google Analytics involved, but data brokers - I really don't want any of them to have any data about me ever.

Yeah this is it. I want to have full knowledge over who has my data and for what purpose. I think we'll get there eventually but it'll take a while.

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Post by pauldenton »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #36

I want a bill which would let me just ban all data brokers forever. I don't mind first parties to save some relevant data necessary for them to do their job, I can even understand 3rd parties like Google Analytics involved, but data brokers - I really don't want any of them to have any data about me ever.

Do you want to ban Manual Data Brokers. Private Investigators?

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Post by r00fus »

Alupis wrote: post #60
r00fus wrote: post #50

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Why are you conflating right-to-unsubscribe with P65? They are different laws with different enforcement mechanisms. Also consumers don't find P65 useful whereas we see benefit from unsubscribing.

The point was we have these sort of consumer protection laws and nothing has changed. The enforcement mechanisms are weak and designed to make lawyers money more than actually gain compliance. Given the decades of P65 enforcement - and given the prevalence of "harmful" chemicals imported into this state every day, we have no reason to believe this unsubscribe law will be any different. Having this law makes people fe…

The unsubscribe law has been on the books for nearly 2 years. Most vendors have changed their processes. I have personally benefited.

I expect nothing less for this law. Show me an example for a relevant law not the P65 BS.

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Post by smcin »

jhart99 wrote: post #8
coding123 wrote: post #3

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Hopefully we get to sue them out of existence this time

Doesn't look like it will be a private action. We will still need to get the State Attorney General to initiate it which will mean nothing will happen.

DC Attorney General Karl Racine has been the most impressive on data privacy. More than CA, WA, NY, MA.

It probably keeps him pure that he represents a district that mainly feels the impact of the credit industry, and doesn't proportionately have that many tech jobs (as CA).

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Post by rahimnathwani »

Alupis wrote: post #59
r00fus wrote: post #49

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As another Californian, I'd love examples of where this is ignored, or where non-californians also benefit from these. I also gladly unsubscribe easily without frustration - just not sure if this is common in other states.

How about a concrete example of a big business that did not allow you to cancel online prior to this law? Netflix? Nope. Comcast? Nope. Google? Nope. Verizon? Nope. AT&T? Nope. Apple? Nope. PG&E? Nope... Where is this mythical renaissance of new online cancellations? Turns out - most big businesses did this already... oh, but now it's the law but who's enforcing? Lawyers who gain private settlements? That's not enfor…

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Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

galoisscobi wrote: post #46
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #43

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> credit scores are complete bullshit You can also juice it up or down by over a hundred points by accumulating and then rapidly paying down balances.

> juice it up or down So what here determines if the score goes up instead of down? I’m planning on getting a mortgage soon but wife’s credit score is in high 600s. If we can make it past, 720, we are told we’ll get a better rate. So I’m curious as to how to bump up the score.

> I’m curious as to how to bump up the score

Find a way to pay down revolving balances to zero.

If you have cash sitting around, great. Otherwise borrow from a 401(k), friends or family, send non-reporting payments in late et cetera. Running balances rapidly to zero tends to cause a 50 to 100 point bump. After you’ve got approval, rebuild the balance and use that credit to repay the loan. In summary: transfer the debt from reporting to non-reporting sources.

If you’re thinking longer term, find bullshit collateralised reporting loans and take them out. Securities-based loans, HELOCs. Low rate. Manufactured borrowing. But it’s a credit line paid back on time. The algorithm likes those.

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Post by ofjcihen »

pauldenton wrote: post #63
qwerty456127 wrote: post #36

I want a bill which would let me just ban all data brokers forever. I don't mind first parties to save some relevant data necessary for them to do their job, I can even understand 3rd parties like Google Analytics involved, but data brokers - I really don't want any of them to have any data about me ever.

Do you want to ban Manual Data Brokers. Private Investigators?

Sure. Is there a counter argument to this?

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Post by yieldcrv »

smcin wrote: post #65
jhart99 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't look like it will be a private action. We will still need to get the State Attorney General to initiate it which will mean nothing will happen.

DC Attorney General Karl Racine has been the most impressive on data privacy. More than CA, WA, NY, MA. It probably keeps him pure that he represents a district that mainly feels the impact of the credit industry, and doesn't proportionately have that many tech jobs (as CA).

Did they pass a specific data privacy law in the district? Or are they just strong arming under consumer protection statutes or something

Flew under my radar

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Post by TrendyCPU »

adrr wrote: post #34
TrendyCPU wrote: post #9

The legislation appears to be limited to data brokers. While this is nice and welcomed, this also means it doesn't cover entities like Google or Facebook.

They don’t sell your data.

This misses the point. The issue is not whether or not Google/Facebook should be classified as data brokers or not. The issue is that they are data collectors who invade our privacy.

I want the means to tell companies "Do not collect information on me." And I want that to be enforceable by law.

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