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‘Sea is constantly dumping bodies’: fears Libya flood death toll may hit 20k

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Re: ‘Sea is constantly dumping bodies’: fears Libya flood death toll may hit 20k

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Post by dang »

PedroBatista wrote: post #29
themgt wrote: post #21

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The "EU and America" didn't assassinate Gaddafi. Right. "We came, we saw, he died! [lol]" Gaddafi was "assassinated" because there was a full-on civil war and the EU and America bombed the massive convoy he had sent to crush the rebellion in Benghazi and enforced a no-fly zone otherwise Gaddafi's planes would obliterate the rebel forces and the civilians living in those cities This is just revisionist nonsense. There…

I already see there is no point in continue this conversation. I notice your standards for US/EU intervention are very very high and basically nobody should ever being killed. Why don't you apply the same reasoning to Gaddafi's regime and Syria/Russia/Al-Qaeda? You seem to have every problem existing in the Universe when the evil West does something ( and also a problem when it doesn't, also a problem that the West e…

Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

I realize that other commenters have also been breaking the rules, but your post here stands out in that manner.

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Re: ‘Sea is constantly dumping bodies’: fears Libya flood death toll may hit 20k

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Post by reducesuffering »

CapricornNoble wrote: post #95
mymac wrote: post #65

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> This is naked Russian propaganda masquerading as enlightened discourse. OSCE via Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/osce-reports-surge-numb... Unless Reuters is "naked Russian propaganda" now, there was definitely an uptick in kinetic activity in the Donbas, with most of it falling on the Separatist side of the line of control.

Prigozhin himself, one of the primary architects of the invasion of Ukraine, stated that the invasion reason given was bullshit. https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/16721950353732157...

"By February 24th, there was nothing out of the ordinary. Now the [Russian] Defense Ministry attempts to fool society, tries to fool the President, and tell the story of a crazy aggression from the Ukrainian side and they were going to attack us with the whole NATO block."

Not sure how you get more conclusive then that; Putin himself?

Re: ‘Sea is constantly dumping bodies’: fears Libya flood death toll may hit 20k

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Post by dang »

themgt wrote: post #37
PedroBatista wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I already see there is no point in continue this conversation. I notice your standards for US/EU intervention are very very high and basically nobody should ever being killed. Why don't you apply the same reasoning to Gaddafi's regime and Syria/Russia/Al-Qaeda? You seem to have every problem existing in the Universe when the evil West does something ( and also a problem when it doesn't, also a problem that the West e…

Why don't you apply the same reasoning to Gaddafi's regime and Syria/Russia/Al-Qaeda? What reasoning? First of all I'm an American citizen, so I concern myself more with what my country does with my tax dollars than what other countries do, especially within their own borders or in situations that don't directly affect American citizens. I don't believe America's job is global law enforcement. It's like asking an Ame…

Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: ‘Sea is constantly dumping bodies’: fears Libya flood death toll may hit 20k

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Post by dang »

themgt wrote: post #21
PedroBatista wrote: post #9

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The "EU and America" didn't assassinate Gaddafi. If the "alternate reality" didn't already erased it, you may recall something called "Arab Spring". It's not like Gaddafi was in a stable position at the time, and even less likely he would skate the whole situation until today. Gaddafi was "assassinated" because there was a full-on civil war and the EU and America bombed the massive convoy he had sent to crush the reb…

The "EU and America" didn't assassinate Gaddafi. Right. "We came, we saw, he died! [lol]" Gaddafi was "assassinated" because there was a full-on civil war and the EU and America bombed the massive convoy he had sent to crush the rebellion in Benghazi and enforced a no-fly zone otherwise Gaddafi's planes would obliterate the rebel forces and the civilians living in those cities This is just revisionist nonsense. There…

Can you please not post in the flamewar style to HN, regardless of how right you are or feel you are? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: ‘Sea is constantly dumping bodies’: fears Libya flood death toll may hit 20k

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Post by dang »

edgyquant wrote: post #50
themgt wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "EU and America" didn't assassinate Gaddafi. Right. "We came, we saw, he died! [lol]" Gaddafi was "assassinated" because there was a full-on civil war and the EU and America bombed the massive convoy he had sent to crush the rebellion in Benghazi and enforced a no-fly zone otherwise Gaddafi's planes would obliterate the rebel forces and the civilians living in those cities This is just revisionist nonsense. There…

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Please don't post unsubstantive and/or flamewar comments, no matter how wrong someone is or you feel they are. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

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Post by q1w2 »

zen_1 wrote: post #103
PedroBatista wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I already see there is no point in continue this conversation. I notice your standards for US/EU intervention are very very high and basically nobody should ever being killed. Why don't you apply the same reasoning to Gaddafi's regime and Syria/Russia/Al-Qaeda? You seem to have every problem existing in the Universe when the evil West does something ( and also a problem when it doesn't, also a problem that the West e…

I wish your home is never fortunate enough to suffer such a US/EU "intervention"

Remember that in this global power model, everyone is either under US, EU, Russian, or Chinese influence (and maybe a couple smaller players).

From those, I'd much rather be under the US or EU sphere of influence.

Re: ‘Sea is constantly dumping bodies’: fears Libya flood death toll may hit 20k

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Post by 2devnull »

ganglandfee wrote: post #63
2devnull wrote: post #55

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This is almost the offensive realist viewpoint were it not for the intense American exceptionalism. Great powers are going to do what they do. Accept this and everything becomes more hopeful. Otherwise, the world will always seem to be ruled by terrible amoral people and nihilism and despair are all you will ever have. There is no glorious future without rulers or parties, therefore wars and competition. Our western…

Hah. You realize you just said facts are facts and that facts are just that, they are neither right or wrong, hypocritical or amoral or immoral . Hmmm. That’s tough to argue against when you put it like that. Another way to put it is that many facts can be true at the same time. Superpowers are gonna Superpower, but they are also hypocrites operating on a double standard.

Yes! That’s exactly right!

So then the question is, are all facts the same? The answer I’ve come to is that some facts are more useful than others.

The fact that America is a great power is a very important fact.

The fact the great powers act alike is a useful fact.

The fact that can derived from these, that America does great power stuff, is of no value. It’s just the obvious result of other facts which are more important if your goal is prediction or parsimonious explanations for historical events.

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