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TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by jeroenhd »

Sacho wrote: post #230
WeylandYutani wrote: post #214

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/14/black-refugees-stra... The EU is rich and safe and will commit whatever atrocities to maintain it.

Tunisia and Libya are not part of the EU.

No, but the EU did make a deal with Tunisia: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-66222864

We're massively cutting back on our business with Russia over their atrocities in Ukraine, but when it comes to human rights in Tunisia, we're willing to let this stuff slide. Sure, there's no war, but handing a country money to enforce their deadly anti-refugee violence is very bad.

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Post by hef19898 »

logicchains wrote: post #248
dylan604 wrote: post #110

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you know how it's not too much? they can afford it.

What a deranged idea, you're implying it's okay to bankrupt a company just for a minor privacy violation.

Oh, I think it is totally ok to bankrupt a company for not following the law.

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Post by jeroenhd »

darthrupert wrote: post #69

Is EU the only significant power on this planet that isn't ... for a lack of better word, evil?

It's a mixed bag, really. They come up with great legislation I wouldn't have thought possible like the GDPR, but then they go and try to ban E2EE messengers. They set up accountability for tech giants, but then add upload filters. They try to ban ICE cars, but extend the deadline for many years because of automotive lobbyists.

Every good EU idea seems to come with a terrible idea. On average things seem to get better, but it's a two-steps-forward-one-step-back kind of progress. It's better than an all-bad government, but they do plenty of shitty things. I'm very happy to live in the EU, but it's certainly not for everyone.

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Post by personomas »

hef19898 wrote: post #210
personomas wrote: post #206

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You do know that corporations are not people? Right?

Obviously. That doesn't mean its good to drive our companies into the dirt, just because they're not people. People depend on them. People work for these companies. Their significance is perhaps far greater than actually ruining just the lives of one person.

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Post by dahfizz »

yumraj wrote: post #196
bragr wrote: post #190

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They'll just write bigger golden parachutes into their contacts to offset the risk. That or suddenly everyone is an EVP and the C levels all are just paid fall guys. But 25% revenue might work.

Well add a 3 strikes law [0], after all corporations are supposed to be person, from a legal standpoint. 3 strikes, and the company is dissolved. In fact, this should definitely happen for US credit rating companies which keep on leaking data. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_law

3 strike laws usually only apply to violent felonies. You don't go to jail for life after getting 3 speeding tickets.

I'd be down with this, but we need to decide which kinds of violations are speeding tickets and which are serious felonies.

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Post by personomas »

dylan604 wrote: post #259
logicchains wrote: post #248

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What a deranged idea, you're implying it's okay to bankrupt a company just for a minor privacy violation.

i think it's deranged that you feel privacy violations are minor in any form. also, this isn't a first offense

Data privacy violations are certainly minor. Until we get that through, our companies are going to suffer. We have far, far, far greater problems in the world than privacy issues of usually meaningless data.

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Post by personomas »

scyzoryk_xyz wrote: post #209
noirscape wrote: post #102

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They kinda are but most EU companies just avoid it by not really collecting your data to begin with beyond what they need for service operation. At least in my experience, when I deal with a service in the EU, their privacy policy fits on a few A4s, with the important bits frontloaded and written in an easily understandable way. Even most banks don't really hide what they collect on you and they explain why they coll…

The boardroom can’t argue about whether or not to steal from the cookie jar when there is no cookie jar to begin with. These are the moments I’m grateful to be living in the EU. GDPR was a huge circus of blame on EU bureaucracy back when it was introduced. A lot of hate poured out that every single paper you sign now needs to have a second separate GDPR thing for you to sign. Stupid Brussels making your life more com…

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Post by hef19898 »

personomas wrote: post #264
hef19898 wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do know that corporations are not people? Right?

Obviously. That doesn't mean its good to drive our companies into the dirt, just because they're not people. People depend on them. People work for these companies. Their significance is perhaps far greater than actually ruining just the lives of one person.

Our companies? TikTok is Chinese... That being said, I do not consider jobs or companies benefits a valid argument when it comes to anti trust and regulations.

But you sure know capitalism, and corporations, abuse the goodwill of hoverents, local and national, and communities. You just want to be ultra edgy for some reason.

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Post by Scarblac »

noirscape wrote: post #102
InTheArena wrote: post #70

This is a good start, but I'm going to be very curious to see if EU data law ever starts getting enforced against european companies at scale, as opposed to international companies.

They kinda are but most EU companies just avoid it by not really collecting your data to begin with beyond what they need for service operation. At least in my experience, when I deal with a service in the EU, their privacy policy fits on a few A4s, with the important bits frontloaded and written in an easily understandable way. Even most banks don't really hide what they collect on you and they explain why they coll…

And every organization in the EU has had to deal with the fact that this is now law, and had to think what they needed to change to comply with it. All companies, but also e.g. tiny volunteer run organisations (my local scouts group asks for health insurance, medical information, allergies etc of the kids again and again for every camp they go on because they don't keep the forms around anymore for the next one like they used to) .

It's probably different for organisations coming from outside the EU who get EU customers over the Internet.

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Post by adra »

throwaway74902 wrote: post #192
generic92034 wrote: post #181

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> Also, since SAP as a company isn't handling any of that data, SAP isn't really affected. I am not sure that is completely correct, considering SAP's cloud offerings.

If I run my app on Azure, is Microsoft responsible for me breaking GDPR? SAP runs your instance, but isn't responsible for what you do with it.

If they're deemed a data processors then yes in fact they do need to care about the application of the laws. SAP has user management at least in terms of companys' own users which will likely have PII.
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