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TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Re: TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by rvz »

This is a good start as a starting fine as I said and have been calling for instead of a ban.

Increase the fines into the billions of dollars if they repeatedly continue to violate the privacy of their users. This has happened with Facebook before.

There is no defense in large compaines getting away with this and all social media companies with over hundreds of millions of users that violate their users privacy should be fined, as found with TikTok. No more exceptions or excuses.

So that concludes that TikTok is no different to Meta when they screw over their own users privacy.

Re: TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by throwaway74902 »

generic92034 wrote: post #181
hef19898 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SAP is B2B, the vast majoritybof personal data is professional (supplier and customer business contacts) and emoloyee data (payroll and such). Not much to fine here. Also, since SAP as a company isn't handling any of that data, SAP isn't really affected.

> Also, since SAP as a company isn't handling any of that data, SAP isn't really affected. I am not sure that is completely correct, considering SAP's cloud offerings.

If I run my app on Azure, is Microsoft responsible for me breaking GDPR?

SAP runs your instance, but isn't responsible for what you do with it.

Re: TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by kmlx »

bad_user wrote: post #151
kmlx wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Of course that creates the possibility of a two-tier internet where EU customers simply don't get access to products this has already happened. google’s bard took it’s time to launch in europe. the young kid in me that always thought we finally have a piece of tech that is beyond what politicians can control, that transcend borders and nationalities is saddened. but it is what it is, and without some breakthroughs…

It's very naive to think that the Internet can transcend in any way law enforcement. You may have distributed protocols and crypto, but the state has a monopoly on violence, it controls all infrastructure, and therefore can control all inputs and outputs. You can't change the world just with technology, as society is a "social construct". And if people want regulation, that's what they are going to get. Speaking of E…

> It's very naive to think that the Internet can transcend in any way law enforcement.

agree, it is naive. but for a while it did feel liberating to a lot of people.

Re: TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by wooger »

SeanAnderson wrote: post #185
mym1990 wrote: post #174

Any breaking of the law in regards to children needs to absolutely incinerate the offending party, this fine seems like a drop in the bucket. Kids these days are bombarded by terrible industry practices because companies know if they can get a child hooked, they could be a customer for life(or at least a period of time in their adulthood). In the US, kids are advertised to at literally every corner of their life...in…

What sort of fine would you consider not to be a drop in the bucket? This fine looks to be an estimated 1/8 of TikTok's profit in 2022.

An appropriate punishment would be: All children's accounts must be deleted and no new ones for minors allowed to exist for 2 years.

Any further infringement and the App is banned from the EU.

Re: TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by kmlx »

rsynnott wrote: post #124
kmlx wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Of course that creates the possibility of a two-tier internet where EU customers simply don't get access to products this has already happened. google’s bard took it’s time to launch in europe. the young kid in me that always thought we finally have a piece of tech that is beyond what politicians can control, that transcend borders and nationalities is saddened. but it is what it is, and without some breakthroughs…

Oh, huh, I actually didn't realise Bard _had_ launched here. > without some breakthroughs (a system that cannot be controlled, censored etc by design) This isn't really a technical issue; some small criminal entity could run an AI bot on Tor (or even, realistically, on the open internet) which forwarded all your personal data directly to the North Korean government and the Mafia or whatever, and realistically they'd…

> But if there's a large company behind the service, then that company is going to have to _obey the law_, and no amount of technology will change that.

i agree on the first part. but that second part could probably also be reinvented by new tech, futuristically speaking.

Re: TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by yumraj »

bragr wrote: post #190
yumraj wrote: post #187

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25% of Annual Revenue and firing of all CxOs (CEO, COO, CTO etc)

They'll just write bigger golden parachutes into their contacts to offset the risk. That or suddenly everyone is an EVP and the C levels all are just paid fall guys. But 25% revenue might work.

Well add a 3 strikes law [0], after all corporations are supposed to be person, from a legal standpoint.

3 strikes, and the company is dissolved. In fact, this should definitely happen for US credit rating companies which keep on leaking data.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_law

Re: TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by rvz »

hef19898 wrote: post #120
personomas wrote: post #100

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Unbelievable fines, that's the problem in this one case.

The EU should go further: ban TikTok. And regulate social media to death.

A massive recurring fine is much better than a ban.

Just fine them to death and they will cave. Just look at how scared Meta is in releasing Threads in the EU.

Re: TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by Filligree »

mcpackieh wrote: post #169
personomas wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unbelievable fines, that's the problem in this one case.

You've repeatedly claimed this fine is unbelievable, but that seems like a skill issue on your part. I have no trouble believing the reality of this fine. And tech corps should have no trouble believing it either. They better wisen up and respect the EU's laws if they think these fines are too large to bear (in reality, the worst violators can bear these fines just fine, and the EU should be issuing arrest warrants f…

The fines are escalatory. If Tiktok doesn’t wise up, the next one will _absolutely_ be bigger.

The reason you don’t hear about a lot of fines this size, is because most companies aren’t egregiously out of compliance and also correct things when first poked. TikTok did neither.

Re: TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by [deleted] »

wooger wrote: post #194
SeanAnderson wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What sort of fine would you consider not to be a drop in the bucket? This fine looks to be an estimated 1/8 of TikTok's profit in 2022.

An appropriate punishment would be: All children's accounts must be deleted and no new ones for minors allowed to exist for 2 years. Any further infringement and the App is banned from the EU.

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Re: TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by Filligree »

cbg0 wrote: post #171
DarkmSparks wrote: post #161

Somehow doubt they will actually pay a penny of it though.

Why would you doubt it? Unless tiktok wins in court, the EU could remove them from all the app stores if they don't pay up.

TikTok also has accounts and real estate in the EU, which can be seized.

It’s not a good idea to play chicken with a continent.

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