You would think that with the amount of mental gymnastics HN loves to do every time CICO gets mentioned, they would finally lose some weight and solve the problem once and for all.
I suppose it's not quite as good as regular gymnastics.
You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much
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Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
If one is running 50 miles per week one needs to orient eating around the runs. It's difficult to run right after a full meal. The result tends to be restricted eating to have a comfortable run in the first place. PS: A bunch of extra work is near mandatory to maintain weekly mileage like this. Proper stretching and recovery--maybe some yoga. Lots of distractions from eating too much in the first place.
You don’t really need to do anything extra at 50. 50 is a basic baseline for a lot of folks running 3-3:30 marathons. I stretch for about 3 minutes after I run, and little else, for instance, and I’m at 60-70mpw, old, and a bit overweight. I know very few people at this mileage doing serious “extra” work.
Have you ever had runner's knee? I'm dealing with it for the first time at the moment. Looking for a quick fix.
Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
People get really technical trying to find excuses to keep eating when it is themselves, but when it’s your dog who is fat and the vet tells you their health is threatened you just reduce their food and don’t start digging up scientific studies to show how actually some dogs need extra treats to lose weight.
That’s a bit of a strawman, no one is arguing that you lose weight from “extra treats” it’s more about the insulin response from the nutritional content from your food. And very likely overweight pets are eating garbage food that causes insulin resistance.
Pick the analogy you prefer, it just isn’t difficult or complicated.
If you’re cutting it so close to the margin of overeating that you’re worried about insulin response impacting the amount of fat you accumulate, you’re eating too much.
If you are at 15% body-fat trying to get down to 10% for a competition, ok, bring out the research and the studies. That is actually quite difficult. If you’ve got a visible beer gut, we don’t need to bring advanced science into this. You just need to eat less and what you do eat should not be soda, doughnuts, and fast food. It isn’t that complicated.
Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s a bit of a strawman, no one is arguing that you lose weight from “extra treats” it’s more about the insulin response from the nutritional content from your food. And very likely overweight pets are eating garbage food that causes insulin resistance.
Pick the analogy you prefer, it just isn’t difficult or complicated. If you’re cutting it so close to the margin of overeating that you’re worried about insulin response impacting the amount of fat you accumulate, you’re eating too much. If you are at 15% body-fat trying to get down to 10% for a competition, ok, bring out the research and the studies. That is actually quite difficult. If you’ve got a visible beer gut…
> If you’ve got a visible beer gut, we don’t need to bring advanced science into this. You just need to eat less
Basically almost all the research I’ve seen on keto suggests this isn’t true. That on the contrary the primary driver of weight is hormones which is driven by the composition of the food. Anecdotally I’ve confirmed this and lost tons of weight while increasing my calorie intake.
I understand your position, it’s simple and people are splitting hairs. I don’t think that’s the case.
Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much
#45Except for situations of food insecurity, most humans alive today have access to absurd amounts of calories. That coupled with intense marketing, increasingly sedentary lifestyles, and decline of self-discipline explain the rise in cancer, type 2 diabetes, and CHD.
On the other side (increasing metabolic rate), there is widely-held misinformation: that it is "easy" or desirable to burn calories through exercise. Unfortunately, the human body is extremely efficient at long duration, low intensity activity. Us humans can run down most any fleeing terrestrial animal on flat terrain through a combination of high endurance and caloric efficiency. [1] This is why caloric restriction is far more time, cost, and effort efficient than exercise. Said another way: the most effective categories of exercise such as weightlifting, HIIT, and 30 minutes on the elliptical are beneficial for multiple purposes secondary to weight loss.
A rough guide to caloric density is dry food weight (minus all water). And double anything containing oil, cheese, or cream.
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endurance_running_hypothesis
Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don’t really need to do anything extra at 50. 50 is a basic baseline for a lot of folks running 3-3:30 marathons. I stretch for about 3 minutes after I run, and little else, for instance, and I’m at 60-70mpw, old, and a bit overweight. I know very few people at this mileage doing serious “extra” work.
Have you ever had runner's knee? I'm dealing with it for the first time at the moment. Looking for a quick fix.
This isn't the place for medical advice. See an orthopedic surgeon.
Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much
#47You're not losing fat because you're too sedentary. You absolutely can outrun your fork. You just have to run a lot further than you think. Show me a fat person who runs 50 miles a week.
I agree in general, but most people that run 50 miles a weeks also eat healthy. So there's a lot of correlation there. IE show me a person that runs 50 miles a week but also eats mostly process foods and drinks lotsa soda.
That demographic is Marines in bootcamp if they're from Appalachia.
Most people with a postsecondary degree who do something like use a gym or jog probably read Omnivores' Dilemma, may shop for organic food, and are more likely to be vegetarian. This demographic is largely incongruous with behaviors like tobacco and substance abuse, and frequent consumption of fried and ultra-processed food.
Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don’t really need to do anything extra at 50. 50 is a basic baseline for a lot of folks running 3-3:30 marathons. I stretch for about 3 minutes after I run, and little else, for instance, and I’m at 60-70mpw, old, and a bit overweight. I know very few people at this mileage doing serious “extra” work.
Have you ever had runner's knee? I'm dealing with it for the first time at the moment. Looking for a quick fix.
Yes - for me, it was a strength issue. I spent a couple weeks running hills to even things out and it faded relatively quickly.