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You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much

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Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much

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Post by user3939382 »

throw__away7391 wrote: post #28
user3939382 wrote: post #11

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People get very heated and religious about this topic so I'm hesitant to bring it up but there are strong arguments that this model is overly simplistic and that the types of food you eat are strongly related to hormonal changes that dramatically affect your metabolism and fat storage. Here's a good talk by a doctor, heavy on research, that's a decent introduction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKC3hiyLeRc

People get really technical trying to find excuses to keep eating when it is themselves, but when it’s your dog who is fat and the vet tells you their health is threatened you just reduce their food and don’t start digging up scientific studies to show how actually some dogs need extra treats to lose weight.

That’s a bit of a strawman, no one is arguing that you lose weight from “extra treats” it’s more about the insulin response from the nutritional content from your food. And very likely overweight pets are eating garbage food that causes insulin resistance.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much

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Post by rjh29 »

bartonfink wrote: post #5

You're not losing fat because you're too sedentary. You absolutely can outrun your fork. You just have to run a lot further than you think. Show me a fat person who runs 50 miles a week.

You have to do a ridiculous amount of exercise compared to you know, just not eating another snickers bar.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much

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Post by Simulacra »

avery17 wrote: post #25
bartonfink wrote: post #5

You're not losing fat because you're too sedentary. You absolutely can outrun your fork. You just have to run a lot further than you think. Show me a fat person who runs 50 miles a week.

This is the kind of thinking that lead to the show biggest loser. Not a single one of those people maintained their weightloss because youre not going to turn a 600lb person into an Olympic distance runner overnight. Its unmaintainable! Not to mention they have to keep eating an insane amount of food to push 50 miles a week which means if they stop running they gain all the weight back because they never fixed their…

Not a single one of those people maintained their weightloss

A lot of websites seem to contradict you. Several contestants kept the weight off so your comment is just inaccurate.

https://healthyeater.com/biggest-loser-then-now https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/02/health/biggest-loser-weig...

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much

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Post by hotpotamus »

simmerup wrote: post #30
amenhotep wrote: post #24

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You're still fundamentally finding success due to your calories in matching your calories out, though? It's just a match over a longer timescale. Did you feel people were telling you that have to match calories over every single 24 hour period, or something? I don't mean to disagree fundamentally, intermittent fasting seems great and it's awesome that you've found a way to keep your calorie intake controlled without…

Also, sorry, I think I missed out a detail that this regime only works for me if I avoid all sugary and processed food. If I do something like eat a big chocolate bar, I’m also immediately hungry again and craving chocolate and treats and processed food. As part of my new diet I only have whole foods like rice, beans, meat and veg. This food fills me up and interacts with my body in a fundamentally different way than…

I think this detail is key, because I've found it works well for me and intermittent fasting drives me bonkers.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much

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Post by simmerup »

hotpotamus wrote: post #34
simmerup wrote: post #30

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Also, sorry, I think I missed out a detail that this regime only works for me if I avoid all sugary and processed food. If I do something like eat a big chocolate bar, I’m also immediately hungry again and craving chocolate and treats and processed food. As part of my new diet I only have whole foods like rice, beans, meat and veg. This food fills me up and interacts with my body in a fundamentally different way than…

I think this detail is key, because I've found it works well for me and intermittent fasting drives me bonkers.

Yes. I didn’t even start this for weight loss. I started it after reading Jason Fungs book on type 2 diabetes prevention

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much

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Post by X6S1x6Okd1st »

discmonkey wrote: post #7
bartonfink wrote: post #5

You're not losing fat because you're too sedentary. You absolutely can outrun your fork. You just have to run a lot further than you think. Show me a fat person who runs 50 miles a week.

I agree in general, but most people that run 50 miles a weeks also eat healthy. So there's a lot of correlation there. IE show me a person that runs 50 miles a week but also eats mostly process foods and drinks lotsa soda.

It's not running but Fred Becky was known to eat whatever is cheap, frequently fast food.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much

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Post by hankyone »

No one is talking about why we want to eat so goddamn much. There is a brain issue at play here that is not discussed. I have been active my whole adult life and have always been either overweight or doing some kind of diet. Every time I lost weight it came back later on and yeah I am to blame but how can anyone just spend their whole existence fighting their brain.

I decided to try one of these famous GLP-1 agonists and oh boy does that change everything. My brain just decided to shut up all the food thoughts. Just gone. There is something in our current diet/environment screwing up our inner desire for food and that is reflected in our behaviour. Our conscious thoughts aren’t enough to control that behaviour fully.

I expect a shift in the future on how obesity is portrayed. It will go the same way as depression where we slowly realized “cheer up buddy” is not a valid treatment.

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much

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Post by soupfordummies »

simmerup wrote: post #30
amenhotep wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're still fundamentally finding success due to your calories in matching your calories out, though? It's just a match over a longer timescale. Did you feel people were telling you that have to match calories over every single 24 hour period, or something? I don't mean to disagree fundamentally, intermittent fasting seems great and it's awesome that you've found a way to keep your calorie intake controlled without…

Also, sorry, I think I missed out a detail that this regime only works for me if I avoid all sugary and processed food. If I do something like eat a big chocolate bar, I’m also immediately hungry again and craving chocolate and treats and processed food. As part of my new diet I only have whole foods like rice, beans, meat and veg. This food fills me up and interacts with my body in a fundamentally different way than…

>>I avoid all sugary and processed food.

I think that's probably vastly more important than CICO vs IF vs Anything else, tbh

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much

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Post by simmerup »

soupfordummies wrote: post #38
simmerup wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, sorry, I think I missed out a detail that this regime only works for me if I avoid all sugary and processed food. If I do something like eat a big chocolate bar, I’m also immediately hungry again and craving chocolate and treats and processed food. As part of my new diet I only have whole foods like rice, beans, meat and veg. This food fills me up and interacts with my body in a fundamentally different way than…

>>I avoid all sugary and processed food. I think that's probably vastly more important than CICO vs IF vs Anything else, tbh

Fair, though my initial long fast did pretty much kill my cravings overnight

Re: You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much

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Post by jmye »

radar wrote: post #13
discmonkey wrote: post #7

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I agree in general, but most people that run 50 miles a weeks also eat healthy. So there's a lot of correlation there. IE show me a person that runs 50 miles a week but also eats mostly process foods and drinks lotsa soda.

If one is running 50 miles per week one needs to orient eating around the runs. It's difficult to run right after a full meal. The result tends to be restricted eating to have a comfortable run in the first place. PS: A bunch of extra work is near mandatory to maintain weekly mileage like this. Proper stretching and recovery--maybe some yoga. Lots of distractions from eating too much in the first place.

You don’t really need to do anything extra at 50. 50 is a basic baseline for a lot of folks running 3-3:30 marathons. I stretch for about 3 minutes after I run, and little else, for instance, and I’m at 60-70mpw, old, and a bit overweight.

I know very few people at this mileage doing serious “extra” work.

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