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Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by billpatrianakos »

batista wrote: post #103
batista wrote: post #75

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This isn't about listening to something or reading something. It's about the ability to remix and build upon it. Yes, those pirate bay users are all about remixing and building upon stuff... /s How about inventing something new?

There is nothing new under the sun. Nearly everything is a remix of older ideas. Well, kind of. But when I suggest creating something "new", I'm not saying don't remix/use old ideas, I say don't remix/use actual previous existing artifacts. And let's be clear here, the Pirate Bay is not about creating, it's about consuming.

It's sad that you get downvoted for disagreeing. You make a good point. All you have to do is look at their most popular downloads to see that it's a consumer culture. The majority, if not all, of the most popular downloads on Amy given day are all copyrighted music, movies, and software with the odd indie artist giving it out truly for free.

And you don't make a remix with an mp3. Seriously, that's just silly. If you're looking to remix music, which is what I'm mostly talking about, you need to separate tracks to manipulate them and it's damn near impossible to separate out the drums from the vocals from the keys, etc. if you're working from any listening format like mp3 and the like. Remix culture my foot.

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by jacquesm »

waterlesscloud wrote: post #132
jacquesm wrote: post #32

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The would consider it scandalous because: 1) they consider their communications private 2) they think that what they type into an IM client will pop out on the other end unchanged 3) they believe that their relationship with the facilitator of their communications media should not be subject to relationships that provider has with other commercial parties. Where does it end? Being unable to share the link of your fav…

You've released your chat media out into the world. As far as I can tell that makes them fair game for everyone to look at and download and alter and remix as they desire.

And indeed they do and I'm fine with that.

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by seanp2k2 »

billpatrianakos wrote: post #159

Oh give me a break! I hate when they pull the censorship card like that. It cheapens all other real threats to free speech. If you like propaganda that justifies pirating, keep reading the Torrent freak blog with their red herrings like censorship and their "battle for free speech". Microsoft is exercising their rights just like we get to exercise ours. It's a private company offering you free software (as in no mone…

>"It would be censorship if Live Messenger were the only or one of few viable options for IM but that's far from being the case. I sincerely doubt Microsoft cares about you downloading albums for free. They just don't want you sharing Windows 8 over their app (when it finally ships, that is) that's all."

Not at all true. Free speech is free speech. Where do you draw the line? This establishes precedent, and frankly it's pretty creepy to think that M$ is monitoring all your communications.

Solution: tell M$ that you're dropping all of their products over this, and actually do it. Then set up XMPP and dump their messaging service.

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Post by slug »

That's why people should move to open and decentralized instant messages networks.

xmpp/jabber for example are easy to setup, federation is supported by some major parties (google talk for example) and use OTR (or PGP if you can convince your friends) encryption whenever possible.

Pidgin, Adium and others support it out of the box or through easily installable plugins and even your [mom] can use it since the key generation and handshake can be automatic, requiring only optional authentication if you are paranoid.

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by anthuswilliams »

pohl wrote: post #147
VMG wrote: post #64

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What is fascinating to me is the hypocrisy. Most HNers probably believe some sort of property rights for software (or even blog designs). May here would argue that the GPL is a great license and violators should be punished. You can also often read that Hollywood and the Music Industry are producing worthless crap, but yet The Pirate Bay is dominated by commercial entertainment, not by Creative Commons content. Much…

It's interesting, because there are sources on the internet that catalogue a taxonomy for all manner of fallacious arguments (Wikipedia is one obvious example), but there doesn't seem to be a name for claiming that internet posts written by the people in set A are hypocritical because they presumably-contradict either 1) posts by people in set B happened to appear on the same website, or 2) some hand-waving character…

It's called the ecological fallacy -- the idea that a phenomenon which is observed (or in the GP's case, totally made up) at the population level can be automatically assumed to apply at the individual level. Stereotypes are a common example of this fallacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_fallacy

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by javert »

nyellin wrote: post #123
javert wrote: post #98

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I agree that it's a shame, but rather than blaming the RIAA, I blame it on the pirates. The widespread acceptance of piracy among users of BitTorrent is what is ruining BitTorrent, not people asserting their voluntarily-granted contractual rights (RIAA). That my friend is as anti free speech as it gets, and this censorship really erodes Actually, by flinging about these terms in an incorrect manner, you are damaging…

Sure, Microsoft technically has the right to censor whatever they like, just like pg technically has the right to ban you from Hacker News for writing a comment he doesn't like. Both are disturbing examples of legally infringing on free speech. Stop being so pedantic about language.

I'm not being pedantic about language; the distinction you are trying to wish away is utterly vital to maintaining free speech.

People who attack free speech, as you are, don't deserve it.

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Post by [deleted] »

danboarder wrote: post #138
javert wrote: post #122

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Any claim that copyright infringement does not hurt copyright holders is dishonest, and people who make dishonest claims should not be admitted into serious discussions. I'm responding to gitarr here, not the link itself.

That is quite a blanket statement there, javert. Claims that are well researched with evidence to back them SHOULD be included in the conversation, why not?

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Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by haxz0rzz »

read_wharf wrote: post #88
zanny wrote: post #87

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Itunes sales figures.

iTunes is not some rogue technology, they're fully in the Content fold. Their cut may be different, that's all.

yeah.... and....? wtf?

Apple can spend billions to prevent you from downloading Raiders of the Lost Ark except via iTunes.

GOOD LUCK

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by javert »

zotz wrote: post #149
javert wrote: post #39

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I'm disappointed to see the destruction of property rights (intellectual or otherwise) being lauded on HN. The RIAA and MPAA make deals with artists to distribute their music, and you want to interfere and just steal it instead. It's dishonest, it's juvenile, and it's eroding at the basis of society (equality under the law, property rights, basic respect and goodwill towards others, etc.).

P2P is here to stay. RIAA and MPAA aren't. It's not a destruction of property rights. It's the beginning of something new for people that make a living creating things people like to hear and watch. Speaking as a musician who has had dealings with the RIAA, I won't miss them even one little bit.

P2P is here to stay.

I would not be so sure about that. As computer people, we rely on governmental freedom to do what we do, and the politicians and the guys with guns can and will take that away if we stop defending freedom. Which we aren't doing very effectively lately.

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