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Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by jacquesm »

javert wrote: post #117
Splenivore wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most property has value without artificial legal limitations. I agree that 5-10 years is probably too short of a period for intellectual property to be protected. Honestly, putting an arbitrary span of time on the duration is a suboptimal way of accomplishing the goals of copyright law. Why not protect an artist’s creation as long as he or she is alive, and then release it into the public domain upon his or her death…

One of the main problems with the current system is that corporations (e.g. Disney) can monopolize culturally-significant works for decades after their creator’s death. So? How is it a problem that Disney has a monopoly on Pocahontas or Aladdin?

> How is it a problem that Disney has a monopoly on Pocahontas or Aladdin?

Because both of those already existed long before Disney 'reinvented' them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocahontas

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aladdin

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by javert »

gitarr wrote: post #115
javert wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No company should be allowed to hinder my free speech. We've already established why your use of the words "free speech" is invalid, and rather than addressing that, you're just making arbitrary assertions (which, because they are arbitrary, should be ignored). Until someone can prove a negative impact of piracy on the copyright holders It's been proven, and is also quite obvious, but again, you're just going on emot…

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/04/us-governmen...

Any claim that copyright infringement does not hurt copyright holders is dishonest, and people who make dishonest claims should not be admitted into serious discussions.

I'm responding to gitarr here, not the link itself.

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by nyellin »

javert wrote: post #98
gitarr wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a musician who would never deal with RIAA, instead we put both our albums on The Pirate Bay to download and spread for free. Now I cannot link to those albums in Microsoft software because they censor all links? That my friend is as anti free speech as it gets, and this censorship really erodes society not the sharing and copying of files.

I agree that it's a shame, but rather than blaming the RIAA, I blame it on the pirates. The widespread acceptance of piracy among users of BitTorrent is what is ruining BitTorrent, not people asserting their voluntarily-granted contractual rights (RIAA). That my friend is as anti free speech as it gets, and this censorship really erodes Actually, by flinging about these terms in an incorrect manner, you are damaging…

Sure, Microsoft technically has the right to censor whatever they like, just like pg technically has the right to ban you from Hacker News for writing a comment he doesn't like.

Both are disturbing examples of legally infringing on free speech.

Stop being so pedantic about language.

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Post by hamidpalo »

hamidpalo wrote: post #17
18pfsmt wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would suggest using an XMPP-based service, and then using a client like Pidgin with an Off The Record (OTR) plugin.

OTR has nothing to do with encryption. All it says is "pretty please don't save my conversation." The only way for fully encrypted conversations is to use a plugin that encrypts messages themselves, or use an ecrypted P2P IM network.

There seems to be some confusion about the XMPP definition of OTR as defined in XEP-0136 which does not mention encryption (http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0136.html#otr) and the colloquial use of OTR which apparently means "encrypted IM."

AFAIK there is no defined standard or agreed-upon XMPP extension for the latter. I should have clarified this in the original comment.

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Post by jhaile »

rwmj wrote: post #61
jacquesm wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The would consider it scandalous because: 1) they consider their communications private 2) they think that what they type into an IM client will pop out on the other end unchanged 3) they believe that their relationship with the facilitator of their communications media should not be subject to relationships that provider has with other commercial parties. Where does it end? Being unable to share the link of your fav…

That gives me an idea for the most evil chat system ever: modify links to hotels, restaurants etc based on the size of kickbacks from competing establishments. More seriously, chat should work so that the client signs and encrypts each message, hiding it from the provider and anyone other than the intended recipient.

Or you could just create a chat client that modifies links to amazon and other retailers to automatically include your affiliate link. Profit!

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Post by rbanffy »

javert wrote: post #117
Splenivore wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most property has value without artificial legal limitations. I agree that 5-10 years is probably too short of a period for intellectual property to be protected. Honestly, putting an arbitrary span of time on the duration is a suboptimal way of accomplishing the goals of copyright law. Why not protect an artist’s creation as long as he or she is alive, and then release it into the public domain upon his or her death…

One of the main problems with the current system is that corporations (e.g. Disney) can monopolize culturally-significant works for decades after their creator’s death. So? How is it a problem that Disney has a monopoly on Pocahontas or Aladdin?

> How is it a problem that Disney has a monopoly on Pocahontas or Aladdin?

Because if you try to tell any of those stories today, you'll have Disney's lawyers knocking on your door (if not the FBI knocking down your door). And don't forget those stories were already old when Walt Disney was a little boy.

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Post by fl3tch »

javert wrote: post #90
rwmj wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A "fact of reality", like physics? You need to justify your arguments using logic, not incredible assertions.

Yes, precisely, like physics. I can't justify that claim on HN, for the same reason I can't prove the contents of Physics 101 on HN. If you're curious about my claims, you'll have to go investigate more on your own.

> It is a fact of reality that it is morally right to give people ownership rights

> precisely, like physics.

There is no place in the universe where the laws of physics do not apply, however there were and are societies without a notion of property, much less the moral right to property, thus property rights are nothing like the laws of physics. They are a product of your provincial worldview. Of course, property is a useful human invention, but it's nothing more than that.

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Post by muuh-gnu »

javert wrote: post #39
jacquesm wrote: post #15

We'll be seeing a lot more of this in the next couple of years. The RIAA and the MPAA will get more and more desperate and will call in more favors with industry buddies as they get closer to the recognition that they are losing the war in spite of winning a couple of battles. In the Netherlands 'Brein', one of the rights organizations has done more to promote the pirate bay than the pirate bay ever could have hoped…

I'm disappointed to see the destruction of property rights (intellectual or otherwise) being lauded on HN. The RIAA and MPAA make deals with artists to distribute their music, and you want to interfere and just steal it instead. It's dishonest, it's juvenile, and it's eroding at the basis of society (equality under the law, property rights, basic respect and goodwill towards others, etc.).

> destruction of property rights (intellectual or otherwise)

These are not the same. Most people do not support the concept of "intellectual property". But for a property to exist in practice, you need majority support, otherwise your property is either just imaginary or you need a totalitarian police state to enforce it.

> the basis of society

The concept of imaginary property is neither supported by a majority of population not in any other way democratically backed. Nobody on this planet has ever voted on it. From its early beginnings, it has been enforced from the top down, decided in shady deals behind closed doors between corrupt officials and industry stake holders and then enforced against the majority.

> steal it

To steal it, you must first reckognize that it is somebody else's property first. But what if you dont consider it property in the first place?

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Post by waterlesscloud »

jacquesm wrote: post #121
javert wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the main problems with the current system is that corporations (e.g. Disney) can monopolize culturally-significant works for decades after their creator’s death. So? How is it a problem that Disney has a monopoly on Pocahontas or Aladdin?

> How is it a problem that Disney has a monopoly on Pocahontas or Aladdin? Because both of those already existed long before Disney 'reinvented' them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocahontas and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aladdin

You can still tell and sell stories about them. It's done all the time. Nothing is stopping anyone from doing so.

You can't tell a story about Disney's Pocahontas or Aladdin, true. But you can about your own version of those characters.

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