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Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by rbanffy »

If Microsoft is able to police conversations carried over Live Messenger, shouldn't it be unable to invoke the dumb pipe defense and be held responsible for any piracy its service allows to happen because its negligence in blocking the evil activity happening on its own network. They even profit from those activities! And not only copyright infringement - bank robberies, terrorist attacks, child molestation, heresy - it's all their fault for not blocking it in the first place.

I would love to see this idea in court.

OTOH, who can be sure they do not store IP and login (or other personal information associated with the Live profile) and hand it to anyone with the proper court order?

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by waterlesscloud »

jacquesm wrote: post #32
trotsky wrote: post #23

While I'd be willing to bet this is due to some malware flag (as that pretty much always ends up being the case with IM provider X is censoring Y), I am baffled as to why people would consider it scandalous that a multi-billion dollar company who makes pretty much all of its revenue from selling intellectual property licenses might drop links conveyed using its free service to a site that is unabashedly one of the wo…

The would consider it scandalous because: 1) they consider their communications private 2) they think that what they type into an IM client will pop out on the other end unchanged 3) they believe that their relationship with the facilitator of their communications media should not be subject to relationships that provider has with other commercial parties. Where does it end? Being unable to share the link of your fav…

You've released your chat media out into the world. As far as I can tell that makes them fair game for everyone to look at and download and alter and remix as they desire.

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by batista »

apawloski wrote: post #101
batista wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is not an advertising company. They have also made other similar moves to the same effect.

Not to call you out, but what other moves are you thinking of (legitimately curious)?

Well, off the top of my head:

1) The "third party cookies block" championed by Safari for one.

2) Refusing to let the publishers get user info without the user opting in first (there was big hoopla about that from the publisher's end):

http://counternotions.com/2011/02/16/stores/

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by tikhonj »

javert wrote: post #109
chc wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing new under the sun. Nearly everything is a remix of older ideas. Even many of Shakespeare's plays were retellings of popular contemporary stories — we wouldn't have Romeo & Juliet if not for the less copyright-crazy era that he lived in. Your suggestion would work better if it were in response to "20 years isn't long enough for a copyright term."

we wouldn't have Romeo & Juliet if not for the less copyright-crazy era that he lived in Nonsense. It's still not possible to copyright the idea of a "love story involving two feuding families," or something. You can't copyright ideas .

Yes. But Romeo and Juliet apparently borrowed heavily from works from 1562 and 1582[1]. Since he wrote the play in 1591, both works would have been under today's copyright.

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romeo_and_juliet

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by tikhonj »

javert wrote: post #90
rwmj wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A "fact of reality", like physics? You need to justify your arguments using logic, not incredible assertions.

Yes, precisely, like physics. I can't justify that claim on HN, for the same reason I can't prove the contents of Physics 101 on HN. If you're curious about my claims, you'll have to go investigate more on your own.

While in some deep (and silly) sense you can't prove the laws of physics, the whole point of science is that the scientific method lets us confidently infer that the laws of physics are a good model for reality through experiments. So in that sense, you can "prove" them, and people have. There is no similar justification for copyright, and claiming copyright as an axiom proves nothing.

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by tikhonj »

VMG wrote: post #64
javert wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm disappointed to see the destruction of property rights (intellectual or otherwise) being lauded on HN. The RIAA and MPAA make deals with artists to distribute their music, and you want to interfere and just steal it instead. It's dishonest, it's juvenile, and it's eroding at the basis of society (equality under the law, property rights, basic respect and goodwill towards others, etc.).

What is fascinating to me is the hypocrisy. Most HNers probably believe some sort of property rights for software (or even blog designs). May here would argue that the GPL is a great license and violators should be punished. You can also often read that Hollywood and the Music Industry are producing worthless crap, but yet The Pirate Bay is dominated by commercial entertainment, not by Creative Commons content. Much…

Supporting the GPL but not copyright in general is actually a completely valid stance. The GPL is the inverse of copyright--copyright normally protects the rights of distributors at the expense of customers; the GPL protects the rights of customers at the "expense" of distributors (this is why commercial companies don't like GPL software). The fact that the GPL is based on copyright is incidental. In fact, I suspect many people who support the GPL would be happy if the rights it protected could be given to customers without relying on copyright; unfortunately, that is not the case right now.

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by danboarder »

javert wrote: post #122
gitarr wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/04/us-governmen...

Any claim that copyright infringement does not hurt copyright holders is dishonest, and people who make dishonest claims should not be admitted into serious discussions. I'm responding to gitarr here, not the link itself.

That is quite a blanket statement there, javert. Claims that are well researched with evidence to back them SHOULD be included in the conversation, why not?

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by cowkingdeluxe »

javert wrote: post #39
jacquesm wrote: post #15

We'll be seeing a lot more of this in the next couple of years. The RIAA and the MPAA will get more and more desperate and will call in more favors with industry buddies as they get closer to the recognition that they are losing the war in spite of winning a couple of battles. In the Netherlands 'Brein', one of the rights organizations has done more to promote the pirate bay than the pirate bay ever could have hoped…

I'm disappointed to see the destruction of property rights (intellectual or otherwise) being lauded on HN. The RIAA and MPAA make deals with artists to distribute their music, and you want to interfere and just steal it instead. It's dishonest, it's juvenile, and it's eroding at the basis of society (equality under the law, property rights, basic respect and goodwill towards others, etc.).

DMCA is more than enough protection than the RIAA and MPAA should ever need. Instead they are going over board and trying to get more and more control.
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