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RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by mike_hearn »

catlover76 wrote: post #18

Seems kind of "backwards"? Why not put more effort into Fleet so that they can eventually sunset all the language-specific IDEs and have one product to support? A big part of why I use VSCode over JetBrains stuff is that I only have to deal with one application for all my things.

It's presumably partly about market segmentation for pricing purposes. Check the prices of their IDEs - they differ quite considerably. Languages that are mostly used by hobbyists can't have the same price be charged as languages mostly used by big rich companies.

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by maccard »

boxed wrote: post #110
cyberax wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> On the other hand, they are notoriously slow to develop their IDEs. I found that IntelliJ IDEs for me are almost at the perfection level. I don't really need any new changes, except for simple incremental ones like supporting new languages. I've been using IntelliJ since 2003, and it's amazing how little my main workflows have changed since then.

They do break stuff they used to have and then it doesn't get fixed for years. For example this https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/PY-39449/Deleting-param... has been broken for 4 years.

All software has bugs. THis is no different to emacs [0] or vscode [1]

[0] https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=2940 [1] https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/30874

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by isanjay »

madeofpalk wrote: post #120
perceptronas wrote: post #24

This IDE doesn't seem to differ from CLion with Rust plugin. I guess, its only about making Rust plugin paid from their side – which makes sense from their side. I hope they can deliver quality. On the other hand, they are notoriously slow to develop their IDEs. Features are super slow to be delivered, IDEs themselves are not really improved as well. They are focusing on things most don't care: Spaces, new UI project…

On the other other hand, I switched from Visual Studio to Rider and it's embarrasing just how much better Rider is as a .net/C# IDE than the first party IDE. They're already so far ahead of Microsoft that "super slow" still has them doing laps about them.

As someone who uses Visual Studio in day job and Rider on Linux at night I agree

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by rugina »

Tried it and it feels slow. I opened a Rust project and after a long wait to index crates, I opened a file and deleted a commented line. It took a few seconds to display the annotations again.

While waiting, I did some work in neovim.

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by pulse7 »

raincole wrote: post #59
cyberax wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> On the other hand, they are notoriously slow to develop their IDEs. I found that IntelliJ IDEs for me are almost at the perfection level. I don't really need any new changes, except for simple incremental ones like supporting new languages. I've been using IntelliJ since 2003, and it's amazing how little my main workflows have changed since then.

My worst nightmare is JetBrains gets IPO (or acquired by a public traded corp).

Which may happen when the founders decide to retire...

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by da39a3ee »

pxc wrote: post #60
doctorpangloss wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> new UI project It’s incredible to me how many people choose VS Code because of its aesthetics, so it is by all means the right thing to focus on.

That's really interesting. What makes VSCode's aesthetic so distinctive and appealing? As an infrequent user of it, I don't really see how it stands out. (The main things that stand out about it to me as an Emacs user is that it has pop-ups/nags/splash tabs that I have to dismiss whenever I open it.)

You can configure it to have an extremely minimal UI. I remove the side bar and menu bar and work in Zen mode full screen. People often ask me what editor i'm using.

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by maccard »

tylersmith wrote: post #113
jenscow wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But then it would be a lowest common denominator type thing, or a "Homer Simpson car" I just want to automatically share my transferable preferences between IDEs

If you mean between Jetbrains IDEs, you can. It's called Settings Sync in the settings menu.

I didn't know they had added this. I just took a look and seems it was added in 2022.3. That's still relatively recent, fwiw. I'm still on 2022.2 for Intellij (because of how they bundle their kotlin plugin), but this will solve my problem with Rider and Goland for the next few months,

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by da39a3ee »

I don't use JB IDEs but for the people I know who do, the thing that stops them using VSCode is debugging: I'm curious, does anyone consider VSCode debuggers to be as good as JB or is it just obvious at this point that JB IDEs are superior in that regard?

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by rob74 »

raincole wrote: post #77
doctorpangloss wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> new UI project It’s incredible to me how many people choose VS Code because of its aesthetics, so it is by all means the right thing to focus on.

> It’s incredible to me how many people choose VS Code because of its aesthetics No. VS code is popular because it's 1. Free and open source 2. Come with a lot of official extension [1] 3. Backed by MS which has the incentive to commondize code editors It's quite similar to Chrome. [1]: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/publishers/Microsoft

There's something to be said for a "pre-packaged" IDE where you don't have to first install the "bare-bones" IDE and then find and install various plugins (of which there may be several with overlapping functionality, where you have to first find out which one works better for you, where you never know if there might be conflicts etc. etc.). Turns out there are even people willing to pay money for something that works "out of the box", like the JetBrains IDEs.

And VS Code is not only similar to Chrome, it is Chrome pretending to be an IDE, and that always leaves a nagging feeling of inefficiency in the back of my mind. The JetBrains IDEs, being Java-based (although they hide it really really well, installing their own OpenJDK-based runtime automatically), are also resource intensive, but still better than Electron...

Re: RustRover – A standalone Rust IDE

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Post by wink »

cyberax wrote: post #57
perceptronas wrote: post #24

This IDE doesn't seem to differ from CLion with Rust plugin. I guess, its only about making Rust plugin paid from their side – which makes sense from their side. I hope they can deliver quality. On the other hand, they are notoriously slow to develop their IDEs. Features are super slow to be delivered, IDEs themselves are not really improved as well. They are focusing on things most don't care: Spaces, new UI project…

> On the other hand, they are notoriously slow to develop their IDEs. I found that IntelliJ IDEs for me are almost at the perfection level. I don't really need any new changes, except for simple incremental ones like supporting new languages. I've been using IntelliJ since 2003, and it's amazing how little my main workflows have changed since then.

Waiting 5-10 minutes for a moderately sized project to be indexed until you can do anything useful is perfection? Ouch :P
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