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Sounds similar to the '5g rollout caused covid' movement in the states.
5G panic was absolutely not limited to the US, honestly it's probably more prevalent in France, the UK, and Australia
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Could the exact same thing be said about whomever the French are hiring? They want to have findings or else all the money they spent ensuring compliance is effectively wasted.
that presupposes that france wants to ban the phone. charitably they just want an accurate measurement so they can apply their regulations. the lab has no incentive to find either way
- companies engaged in government contracts would rather continue to be engaged in government contracts than have them be terminated
- politicians would prefer to say they spent your taxpayer dollars on something that caused a change which “benefited” you, rather than say they spent them on something that had no perceptible impact
- there exist technicians engaged in testing who believe the above two are true, and have the capacity to make micro-decisions in testbench setup that can affect the general bias of the results
That all said, based on the other commented here it seems french politicians took EU guidelines for 5mm exposure and demanded those same number at 0mm. So it really is the french politicians wanting to ban the phones.
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You missed your chance then - treaties already require member countries to defer to European rules where conflicting.
My country has a supreme law written in 1978. Any other law that conflicts with this one is illegal and must be repelled. Anyone who wants to overturn our 1978 law is effectively declaring war to us.
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#264Apple has denied those findings. > Apple said it had provided ANFR with multiple Apple and independent third-party lab results proving its compliance with all applicable SAR regulations and standards in the world. https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-disputes-french-fin...
If this sounds familiar it's because accredited labs made a similar claims about the iPhone 7/8 and then again the iPhone 11. In each case it was the lab using an incorrect methodology. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what's happened here. There is a canyon of technical knowhow between RF engineers and testing labs.
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If this sounds familiar it's because accredited labs made a similar claims about the iPhone 7/8 and then again the iPhone 11. In each case it was the lab using an incorrect methodology. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what's happened here. There is a canyon of technical knowhow between RF engineers and testing labs.
Are you saying those phones were found in non-compliance, too? If so, were they banned?
The bulk of replies to my comment are hilarious to read: ass-talking conspiracy theories presenting zero factual understanding of how RF regulation in the various markets takes place.
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Is this true? The article claims that the European (EU?) regulations are 4W/kg at 0mm and 2W/kg at 5mm distance. Is the article incorrect in this? Do you have a reference to the actual SAR regulations?
Sounds like the article is incorrect. The relevant standard for EU-wide regulations is EN 50566:2013, which allows manufacturers to choose the separation with up to 25mm (most vendors standardized on 15mm because this is the maximum separation allowed under the FCC standard). The french disagree with this standard and specify the limits at 0mm and 5mm separation, which obviously increases absorption. However, they di…
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5G panic was absolutely not limited to the US, honestly it's probably more prevalent in France, the UK, and Australia
It even predates 5G by a long shot, I recall anecdotes running the news headlines about some folks claiming newly installed (2G? 3G?) cell towers were causing them debilitating headaches, and covering walls and windows with tin foil made it better. It was later revealed that while the tower was indeed up it was entirely unpowered the whole time but that bit of news of course did not make it to the headlines.
Now those same people are complaining if they only have a 3G connection because they're out of 4g range :)
5g isn't really a thing in the Netherlands yet because of some deal with Inmarsat that has a base station there and is worried about interference.
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#270I love my Apple Watch ultra, because with cellular I can use it as a phone – a very lightweight phone without social media distractions. But I have to say I am a little bit uneasy about having a cellphone strapped to my arm. Someone with physics knowledge please calm me down?
I have a Samsung watch without cellular but with bluetooth communications instead. Can someone eloborate what the difference is between celluar connections and other wireless tech like headless phones or watches? Is there any difference except strength etc. Never believed it before, but suddently the thought of wireless technologies being bad gave me a reality check and I realized I have never questioned it.
In terms of radio energy, bluetooth is the lowest, then wifi and then cellular.