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Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

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ah yes, my first job was at office depot and most of my training video was this, basically. they also taught us how to profile people and had us follow poors around the store incessantly asking "what may i help you with today?"

May I ask, when you ask someone that, what are the expected answers and what are the courses of action?

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

#162

This is beyond disgusting, and definitely not acceptable. So much for being "the world's best employer". I want to dig a hole and bury myself from the embarrassment of being associated with this company.

For who? Those at HQ in Seattle? Sure. Those on the ground/in the field? lol

It is embarrassing for me, as an AWS employee and affects the moral calculus I am solving every day I decide to go to work.

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

#163

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Do you have examples of murky? I can think of police and prison unions but those are a symptom of an entirely different set of problems and aren't really about "unions". Any others?

Teacher's unions becoming so strong that schools cannot fire bad teachers, and in the end it's the students who pay for it.

Sometimes unions make bad calls in individual situations, sure. But for all of the myriad of big issues that exist in public school systems, I don't see unions as being the fundamental source for system-wide issues. Here are some issues I identify: - Money. Schools just often lack the financial resources they need to provide a robust and well-rounded education. - Bureaucracy. Public schools are heavily regulated in complicated ways, from the local school board, to state education board, to federal laws. When changes need to happen, it can be hard to figure out how to change something, or to find people with enough energy and stubborness to push through the bureaucracy. I guess union contracts would be included in the web of bureaucracy, but it is my experience that teacher unions are just as often the vehicle with enough energy and experience to push for beneficial changes. - Culture war nonsense. The education of our children is an emotional and sensitive issue for people, understandbly so. Unfortunately, public schools are becoming a battle ground for people to "fight" in whatever culture war issue is being roused up at the time (discussions on gender, critical race theory, book bans, prayer in schools, sexual education, military recruiters on campus, cops/school resource officers, take your pick). These issues have to be acknowledged and addresses, and it uses up real resources to do so. In the nastiest situations, individual school staff can be targeted and harassed, and in those cases it is very good to have a union to support staff.

There are specific local issues I'd like to provide as anecdotes, but it's local and newsworthy enough that my IRL identity would start to bleed into this online identity, which I try to keep pseudo-anonmyous. So I'll try to stick to generalities.

While I won't argue that unions get things right 100% of the time, and I would absolutely say that my child's education benefits from teachers having strong unions.

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

#164

This is beyond disgusting, and definitely not acceptable. So much for being "the world's best employer". I want to dig a hole and bury myself from the embarrassment of being associated with this company.

> So much for being "the world's best employer". wut, you actually bought that until just now?

No, I am just saying that it's pure hypocrisy, and even more disgusting than it already was given the evidence.

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

#165

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For who? Those at HQ in Seattle? Sure. Those on the ground/in the field? lol

It is embarrassing for me, as an AWS employee and affects the moral calculus I am solving every day I decide to go to work.

I'm terribly sorry! My reply was very vague. I meant "the world's best employer" for who?

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

#166

ah yes, my first job was at office depot and most of my training video was this, basically. they also taught us how to profile people and had us follow poors around the store incessantly asking "what may i help you with today?"

May I ask, when you ask someone that, what are the expected answers and what are the courses of action?

that part wasn't really fleshed out haha, the goal was to make them so uncomfortable they either buy something cheap or walk out the door to avoid the awkwardness. we weren't allowed to do anything to actually stop them

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

#167

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No social movement in history has ever been powered by people being considerate about their consumption patterns. I'm not saying it's a waste of effort, but I am saying this is unlikely to be sufficient to any cause. In fact, I'd posit that it has a far greater (and largely negative) impact on your life than it has a positive one on other peoples' lives.

As a counterpoint, here's a brief history of social movements that were powered (in part) by considerate consumption patterns: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott They were organized of course, which starts by communicating your cause and action to other individuals.

Boycotts are precisely the type of ineffective political action to which I'm referring, so I'm not sure i understand your point.

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

#168

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So … this clip is the first bad thing you’ve seen about Amazon and its business practices? Are you one of the 10,000 that is just learning about Amazon today?

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Unions have provided an immense amount of value to your personal life, and for millions of people. (Even if you've never been a member, unions are both a product and sustainer of the overall labour movement that you have definitely benefited from every day of your working life.)

Amazon gave you a 30-day trial of Prime.

Re: Amazon training video on handling unionizing activity (2018) [video]

#169
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So I did my first part in trying to support everyone who dislikes this as much as I do. I cancelled my Prime and I will try to not purchase anything from Amazon for a year. It's not much, but it's something. I invite everyone to do the same.

The best and most helpful thing you could actually do would be to unionize, yourself, and engage in illegal sympathy strikes.
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