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Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by 18pfsmt »

javert wrote: post #48
natesm wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlimited copyright terms are eroding the basis of society (the Constitution). 5 to 10 years would be reasonable.

Yeah, because I just can't stand to pay an enormous amount like $10 or $20 for that book or album I really have to have. I think it's unreasonable to expect people who make things to be able to profit from them for more than 5 years. Hell, why don't we make all property expire after 5 or 10 years? Please don't take the sarcasm personally; it was just the best way to illustrate my point.

It's actually quite interesting to think about with respect to real property. For example, many Native American tribes couldn't conceive of the idea that one person could own the land; it simply didn't match their mental model. As a result, they ended up ceding, practically, the entire lower 48 states to the European immigrants.

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by rhizome »

Animus7 wrote: post #9

I wonder what the political forces behind this are, because I'd like to think that the engineers that implemented it understood that a) it will do nothing to stop piracy, and b) it will reduce usage of Live Messenger

The engineers probably just implemented a generic content-filtering system that could be used against images, or bad javascript, or whatever.

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by johnchristopher »

udp wrote: post #4

So, what's the most convenient way to IM with end-to-end encryption? I don't like the idea of it being possible for an intermediate to scan through my private messages.

WASTE was pretty cool and hip but it seems to have been dead for years.

From wikipedia: WASTE is a decentralized chat, instant messaging and file sharing program and protocol. It behaves similarly to a virtual private network by connecting to a group of trusted computers, as determined by the users.

* Secured through the trade of RSA public keys, allowing for safe and secure communication and data transfer with trusted hosts.

* WASTE can obfuscate its protocol, making it difficult to detect that WASTE is being used.

* WASTE has a "Saturate" feature which adds random traffic, making traffic analysis more difficult.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WASTE_again

edit: Added relevant details

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by trotsky »

SoftwareMaven wrote: post #33
trotsky wrote: post #23

While I'd be willing to bet this is due to some malware flag (as that pretty much always ends up being the case with IM provider X is censoring Y), I am baffled as to why people would consider it scandalous that a multi-billion dollar company who makes pretty much all of its revenue from selling intellectual property licenses might drop links conveyed using its free service to a site that is unabashedly one of the wo…

Because people consider what they send in their email to be theirs , not something a faceless corporation has graciously allowed them to utter. People are also beginning to correlate these mega-companies with government-type power, especially over information (hense the use of the word "censor"). Combine these, and you get the outrage.

But IM providers censor malware links and other scams all the time, and your email provider censors or outright blocks spammers for probably up to 50% or more of your mail volume. Clearly people do actually expect certain classes of communication to be actively intercepted.

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by 18pfsmt »

nextparadigms wrote: post #29
udp wrote: post #4

So, what's the most convenient way to IM with end-to-end encryption? I don't like the idea of it being possible for an intermediate to scan through my private messages.

Retroshare, I believe: http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/

If you are going to go that route, why wouldn't you go with the tried-and-true WASTE?

http://wasteagain.sourceforge.net

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by nextparadigms »

If this was actually done by mistake by their software, then we can expect TPB links to start working again in Windows Live Messenger any minute now, right?

I don't need Microsoft to "protect" me by not allowing me to see something. At most what they should do is warn me that it might contain malware, which is something they used to do with file transfers, too. But today I believe they just outright block most of them - even .rar files, unless they are scanned with some special MSN software of theirs that you need to download.

No thanks, Microsoft.

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by rwmj »

javert wrote: post #49
mrebus wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because you use the word property doesn't make intellectual monopolies property.

If you don't like the words, good, go look at the moral foundation that underlies the idea. It is a fact of reality that it is morally right to give people ownership rights for things they produce (besides, again, being the basis of society). And why not? Paying for something rather than stealing it (or changing the law so it's not officially "stealing" anymore), just isn't that big of a deal.

A "fact of reality", like physics? You need to justify your arguments using logic, not incredible assertions.

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by [deleted] »

spdy wrote: post #20

As more and more of this surface in critical times of SOPA/PIPA/ACTA etc. we will see an "outer net" emerging soon based on a p2p solution and highly encrypted. I know there is TOR but it`s not cutting it yet. Maybe one of the big players (Google?) will join this battle for free speech and an open internet. Most of us do not want to be censored in any way. The Unstoppable Force vs The Immovable Object.

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Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by 18pfsmt »

johnchristopher wrote: post #53
udp wrote: post #4

So, what's the most convenient way to IM with end-to-end encryption? I don't like the idea of it being possible for an intermediate to scan through my private messages.

WASTE was pretty cool and hip but it seems to have been dead for years. From wikipedia: WASTE is a decentralized chat, instant messaging and file sharing program and protocol. It behaves similarly to a virtual private network by connecting to a group of trusted computers, as determined by the users. * Secured through the trade of RSA public keys, allowing for safe and secure communication and data transfer with trust…

Port forwarding is still a frustration when dealing with your non-tech friends. It took me 3 months to push my brother to set it up right. Now I'm trying to convince him to setup milkfish[1] on his router, so I can save mobile minutes, but I continue to fail.

[1]http://wiki.milkfish.org.sipwerk.com/index.php?n=TheMilkfish...

Re: Microsoft Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger

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Post by v-yadli »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #28
zotz wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You could argue that it's for the user's security Who would believe that argument?

People who frequently have to clean out their parents' computers because they wanted to watch something, and ended up joining a botnet.

+1

Tech people detect malware with bare eyes,average users do this by installing the malware.

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