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iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation
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#123I love my Apple Watch ultra, because with cellular I can use it as a phone – a very lightweight phone without social media distractions. But I have to say I am a little bit uneasy about having a cellphone strapped to my arm. Someone with physics knowledge please calm me down?
> Someone with physics knowledge please calm me down? All radio is non-ionizing EM, far lower frequency then visible light, thermal, etc. UV, Xrays, and gamma rays are in the opposite direction, higher frequency. Radio cannot do anything except minor amounts of heating, and at milliwatts of transmission power and inverse square law that's REALLY minor amounts of heating. There is no link to any sort of health effects…
Sun! It emits far more radiation than anything else and we don’t care about walking in sunlight.
Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation
#124I love my Apple Watch ultra, because with cellular I can use it as a phone – a very lightweight phone without social media distractions. But I have to say I am a little bit uneasy about having a cellphone strapped to my arm. Someone with physics knowledge please calm me down?
> Someone with physics knowledge please calm me down? All radio is non-ionizing EM, far lower frequency then visible light, thermal, etc. UV, Xrays, and gamma rays are in the opposite direction, higher frequency. Radio cannot do anything except minor amounts of heating, and at milliwatts of transmission power and inverse square law that's REALLY minor amounts of heating. There is no link to any sort of health effects…
And then if you’re curious to know more about ionizing radiation and the scale at which we absorb it and where it really becomes concerning, there’s an XKCD for that: https://xkcd.com/radiation/
Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation
#125I love my Apple Watch ultra, because with cellular I can use it as a phone – a very lightweight phone without social media distractions. But I have to say I am a little bit uneasy about having a cellphone strapped to my arm. Someone with physics knowledge please calm me down?
Worry far more about the sun:
"Hence, a cell phone cannot transmit more than 0.125 Watts of energy to your head, while sunlight will transmit 43.8 W. This means that sunlight heats your head 350 times faster than a cell phone. In fact, since sunlight is a much higher frequency than cell phones, the sunlight energy is more dangerous (see Equation [1])."
1. https://www.antenna-theory.com/tutorial/cancer/cellphone.php....
Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
You missed your chance then - treaties already require member countries to defer to European rules where conflicting.
My country has a supreme law written in 1978. Any other law that conflicts with this one is illegal and must be repelled. Anyone who wants to overturn our 1978 law is effectively declaring war to us.
I guess this is why geeks are largely not involved in political processes. People seeing all topics as 1s and 0s are called maximalists and typically laughed out of the room.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you honestly expect that they would admit it and face millions of lawsuits ?
OTOH, the French regulator publishing a product removal from market ON THE DAY of the marketing PR for the new iPhone is a distasteful attempt at raining on their parade.
Honestly it probably has the opposite effect. I can imagine iPhone 12 owners upgrading because they think their current phone is unsafe.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Hmmm… Why did you stop quoting it there? > There are several factors that help to explain the increase in incidence: population growth, population ageing, exposure to risk factors, improved screening and improved outcomes in other diseases (meaning that more people are reaching an advanced age, leaving them at risk of cancer). The incidence of different cancer types varies widely between different European countrie…
>exposure to risk factors Like irradiation from telecoms signals, maybe.
Irradiation from telecoms signals has been around for more than a decade.
We'd also likely notice things like - lots of people getting a sort of rectangular shaped cancer right under their pants pocket ;)
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“The government” is big. Lots of people, caring about lots of things. Did you want to be less absolute in your claim?
The iPhone 12 is a three year old device. I'm not sure what parade they'd be raining on.
Also there’s a good chance Apple had some wiggle room in deciding the date that the iPhone 12 was pulled from the shelves. From apple’s perspective today sounds like a great day to pull the 12 because people would just assume it’s not available any more now that the 15 is out.
Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation
#130Worth noting that this is due to the French regulators applying the same SAR absorption standard as the rest of the EU but at a closer distance. Obviously radiation follows the inverse square law so this means you absorb more radiation in France ;) Even despite this reduced allowable emission the iPhone is barely out of compliance, they will need to reduce power less than 10% or simply get another few millimeters far…
Is this true? The article claims that the European (EU?) regulations are 4W/kg at 0mm and 2W/kg at 5mm distance. Is the article incorrect in this? Do you have a reference to the actual SAR regulations?