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Britain's roads can't keep up with our cars

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Re: Britain's roads can't keep up with our cars

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I'm not sure narrow roads in old cities are due to lack of planning, they didn't have crystal balls

Narrow roads are not only found in old cities... They are everywhere.

But still for historical reasons, towns, villages, country lanes have been around far longer than cars

Re: Britain's roads can't keep up with our cars

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This is a great idea and would handily deal with the escalating “momentum war” between selfish drivers who buy the biggest, heaviest vehicle they can afford in order to be safer than their counterparts in a collision. I’d propose we make the tax highly non-linear too…

As a friend od mine recently discovered, Range Rovers have an airbag under the bonnet that pops up in case of frontal collision, presumably to protect pedestrians. They hit a deer on a country road and that airbag caused £6,000 of damage to the car... Who's laughing now? ;)

I hope the deer had survived the encounter.

Re: Britain's roads can't keep up with our cars

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Building wider roads in the UK is going to be tricky. A lot of roads have no room to grow without knocking down the houses lining them. Maybe the UK needs less roads?

Of course it's very difficult to impossible to widen existing roads. But nothing prevent building wider new roads... which isn't done because priority is actually to save as much money as possible instead of delivering good, future-proof, infrastructure. You can't have fewer roads in a country whose population grows by hundreds of thousands every year...

Newly built wider roads would be a tiny proportion of the total as compared to the previous "unwidenable" roads, so making new roads wider would have little effect. It would be much more efficient to more strongly regulate/restrict/tax the width of cars so that they are the appropriate size for the vast majority of already existing roads in the UK.

Re: Britain's roads can't keep up with our cars

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> Car designer Chris Longmore... blames safety legislation for the dramatic increase in size since the 1990s. This doesn't stand up to scrutiny. For example, the 2022 Toyota Aygo X has a 4 star NCAP safety rating (out of a possible 5) [1], and is about the same size as the original 1970s VW Golf [2]. [1] https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/Toyota/Aygo%20X/46259 [2] https://www.automobiledimension.com/model/toyota/ayg…

Normal cars (Not SUVs, pickups) have got slightly larger, there's no excuse for cars that are big for the perceived safety of being the largest car on the road

Re: Britain's roads can't keep up with our cars

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An article shared recently said that road damage is weight^4. Make a car tax based on vehicle weight and the market takes care of itself. For the right classes (such as wheelchair accessible) it can be a tax write-off.

This is a great idea and would handily deal with the escalating “momentum war” between selfish drivers who buy the biggest, heaviest vehicle they can afford in order to be safer than their counterparts in a collision. I’d propose we make the tax highly non-linear too…

You're right on the money. I've heard it a few times from my associates (in UK), who don't feel comfortable driving. They want to go for the big car so they can be safe. But what about other road users?

You can also notice how pushy all these Range Rover drivers are on our very narrow roads.

Re: Britain's roads can't keep up with our cars

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Car size should be regulated and a maximum should be enforced. Pavement parking (and other antisocial forms of parking) should also be banned. In the UK, local authorities are in charge of parking enforcement. In Oxford they largely don't bother: I see vehicles parked on yellow lines every day. I can't fathom why, this is an opportunity to raise revenue!

Seems a good time to drag up this ad that demonstrated how much space cars take up again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYn8aQIpNH4

Re: Britain's roads can't keep up with our cars

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Car size should be regulated and a maximum should be enforced. Pavement parking (and other antisocial forms of parking) should also be banned. In the UK, local authorities are in charge of parking enforcement. In Oxford they largely don't bother: I see vehicles parked on yellow lines every day. I can't fathom why, this is an opportunity to raise revenue!

An article shared recently said that road damage is weight^4. Make a car tax based on vehicle weight and the market takes care of itself. For the right classes (such as wheelchair accessible) it can be a tax write-off.

France is doing this (albeit with a carveout for electric cars).

Re: Britain's roads can't keep up with our cars

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The current annual car tax in the UK is a freaky thing. For cars registered before March 2001, it's a payment based on engine size (smaller or larger than 1.55 litres); couldn't tell if that's aimed at perceived wealth, pollution, or just leftover because that's how it was back when those cars were new. March 2001 to March 2017, it's a payment based on CO2 emissions. Pollution based. April 2017 to present day, it's a…

AIUI the engine size thing is a relic of the oil crisis; there was a desire to disincentivise high-consumption cars. At the time they wouldn't have been thinking primarily about pollution.

Re: Britain's roads can't keep up with our cars

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The main cause of heavier new cars is the weight of the batteries in EVs. If we're all going to get EVs, we're all going to put heavier cars on the road... Regarding size, my experience of UK roads and parking spaces is that the biggest issue is indeed the increased width of cars. In any case wider roads should be built if only to accomodate decent cycle lanes, which is also something touted as the way forward.

All cars have got bigger, some are just monsters in size that are the size of an older van.

It was fun once to see my B-segment newish car next to original Fiat 500... The size difference was massive and that is just one step above from regular small cars.
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