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Re: Show HN: Rental data supplied by tenants in Ireland, searchable by all

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've met thousands and I don't know a single Irish American that has expressed a serious desire to move back. Don't get me wrong; I'm an Irish American and I'd love to live in Ireland. But I was born and raised in the US and would have to abandon all my friends to move there.

Yeah, it is pretty hard. Mine actually moved back to the UK but we have more immediate family there than usual. (Except for me since the tech industry isn't as good.) Apparently Australia is actually the only country with net immigration from the US.

> Apparently Australia is actually the only country with net immigration from the US.

The E3 visas help with that. Otherwise as a tech worker you're generally stuck with either a H1B (which is a lottery) as a new hire, or L1B (which requires working for the company for a year) as an existing employee.

Not all of the allocated E3 visa slots get used though, so IIRC, there's been continued discussions on Irish citizens being offered the remainder for the last few years, but nothing concrete yet.

Re: Show HN: Rental data supplied by tenants in Ireland, searchable by all

#52
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I moved from Dublin to NYC. Yes the rents here are insane, but there are places to rent! There is often zero availability in Irish cities.

Zero availability would indicate either severe supply shortages due to an inability to build (zoning/regulatory problems a la some municipalities in the US? Something else?) or a price ceiling on rent, leading to an inability for the market to clear (with the equilibrium price being above the legal ceiling). Do you know which applies? As an outsider, it would seem that Ireland has plenty of land on which to build, th…

Property taxes are too low.

Re: Show HN: Rental data supplied by tenants in Ireland, searchable by all

#53

This might backfire. Large scale landlords and would be tenants are both pretty familiar with the market. The only people not familiar with the market are mom and pop landlords who tend to not update rent with changing market conditions. This increased transparency might cause them to raise rents because it'd be easier to do comps, and they wouldn't previously undercharging a tenant to make it harder to find a new te…

online shopping seems to have had the opposite effect

Re: Show HN: Rental data supplied by tenants in Ireland, searchable by all

#54

The rent in Ireland is insane for the quality you get. My GF and I are currently living in my parents house. Collectively we earn ~€200K. New homes are in limited supply. Existing homes are poor quality but demand has increased the prices dramatically. We were looking at a new development and they increased the price by €80K. For a lot of people owning a home is becoming unrealistic.

This seems like a global phenomenon. What is happening? Is this related to globalization? It feels wrong to blame any countries internal policies when it seems to be happening in every country simultaneously.

The biggest factors end up being about political incentives, and it's not happening in every city and country in the developed world, the majority of them end up with some level of one key dynamic:

People who already own property in an area tend to have relatively high political sway in that area, and have a vested interest in things that limit the new supply of housing. It may be explicitly because they want to keep the value of their property high, or because they want to "keep the character of the area" through things like limits on the number of floors new buildings can have, or open space requirements that require a certain amount of space be left open, or to limit multi-family dwellings.

Ultimately even the property owners are also paying the increased cost of living that comes from these things, but the fact that they're not directly connected and take place in the future (i.e., you don't get an invoice for the next decade of increased rent prices when you vote for a proposal to require that apartments be limited to 4 stories) means that the vast majority of people don't consider them.

People who don't yet own property are either people who already live in the area but who tend to have less sway than property owners (even assuming they know what policies to oppose), or people who are coming from outside the area and have had no prior influence on the politics there.

How effective this dynamic is at stopping new housing construction in a particular area (often because of how its laws are structured, but also because of the policy choices pushed by its local politicians) is one of the primary determinants of how much rents and housing prices in an area will rise.

On one end of the spectrum, you've got the Bay Area's huge number of patchwork municipalities, where interests are highly-entrenched, and where any meaningful reform would have to go through every individual municipality or come from the state level, and in which many of the politicians are themselves specifically anti-housing reform. On the other, you have more centralized city governments like Minneapolis with pro-reform politicians that can handle it at the city level (so there's only one war required to get meaningful reform). Minneapolis rents are actually decreasing because they passed housing reform. Often housing reform will merely stabilize rents (because prices also rise some due to inflation and economic growth increasing demand for land in the area, even if lots of housing is being built). Sometimes it can do enough to actually bring them down.

In a sane world where property owners can't hijack the local government, you'd expect prices to rise some with economic growth and inflation, but significant increases in demand would spur building more housing and increased density. And increased prices due to mild inflation and economic growth are fine -- wages will generally increase to compensate for that (and some of the increase comes from nicer housing being built as the economy grows). Hopefully the housing reform movement will continue bringing us toward that saner world.

Re: Show HN: Rental data supplied by tenants in Ireland, searchable by all

#55

The rent in Ireland is insane for the quality you get. My GF and I are currently living in my parents house. Collectively we earn ~€200K. New homes are in limited supply. Existing homes are poor quality but demand has increased the prices dramatically. We were looking at a new development and they increased the price by €80K. For a lot of people owning a home is becoming unrealistic.

This seems like a global phenomenon. What is happening? Is this related to globalization? It feels wrong to blame any countries internal policies when it seems to be happening in every country simultaneously.

We added a billion people to the planet last decade.

Re: Show HN: Rental data supplied by tenants in Ireland, searchable by all

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zero availability would indicate either severe supply shortages due to an inability to build (zoning/regulatory problems a la some municipalities in the US? Something else?) or a price ceiling on rent, leading to an inability for the market to clear (with the equilibrium price being above the legal ceiling). Do you know which applies? As an outsider, it would seem that Ireland has plenty of land on which to build, th…

Very hard to build, very hard to evict (you can be a horrible tenant for years and not get kicked out), very strict price controls (they carry over to the next renter), and lo and behold people decide being a landlord isn't worth the trouble. Property tax is low too so keeping places empty isn't as unappealing as elsewhere.

Ah, the usual suspects, then.

Re: Show HN: Rental data supplied by tenants in Ireland, searchable by all

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https://www.howmuchrent.com/ is a better post for HN than a political opinion piece like https://labour.ie/news/2023/06/28/why-is-the-government-so-a... so I've changed the URL from that. Readers: earlier comments are in response to that other link so you might want to look at both.

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Re: Show HN: Rental data supplied by tenants in Ireland, searchable by all

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Hi OP! Question, it says "source: user / daft". What is 'daft'? Might want to add a info popup for non-Irish :)

Also, the site says "Rental Data supplied by Tenant" but I see user: 3, daft: 453. So... it's not real tenant info right? Most of it comes from rental listings?

Re: Show HN: Rental data supplied by tenants in Ireland, searchable by all

#59

Hi OP! Question, it says "source: user / daft". What is 'daft'? Might want to add a info popup for non-Irish :) Also, the site says "Rental Data supplied by Tenant" but I see user: 3, daft: 453. So... it's not real tenant info right? Most of it comes from rental listings?

Not OP but it's a fairly dominant property search service in IE https://daft.ie/

Re: Show HN: Rental data supplied by tenants in Ireland, searchable by all

#60

For what it's worth, I've been crawling Daft (Ireland's main rental and buying site) for several years. If you click on a property you'll see nearby listing history for both rentals and purchases, including asking rents. https://gaffologist.com/

This is magnificent, thank you.
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