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Re: Show HN: Rental data supplied by tenants in Ireland, searchable by all

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For what it's worth, I've been crawling Daft (Ireland's main rental and buying site) for several years. If you click on a property you'll see nearby listing history for both rentals and purchases, including asking rents.

https://gaffologist.com/

Re: Show HN: Rental data supplied by tenants in Ireland, searchable by all

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Zero availability would indicate either severe supply shortages due to an inability to build (zoning/regulatory problems a la some municipalities in the US? Something else?) or a price ceiling on rent, leading to an inability for the market to clear (with the equilibrium price being above the legal ceiling). Do you know which applies? As an outsider, it would seem that Ireland has plenty of land on which to build, th…

In Ireland's case, both apply - there's an inability to build and there's defacto rent caps. Plus until very recently, an eviction ban.

Yep, our construction sector still hasn't recovered since the crash. Combine that with some poor government policy, an increase in construction costs, as awkward planning rules (almost anybody can object to anything for almost any reason), and you have the shitshow we see today.

I emigrated earlier in the year to Denmark, so while the actual pastures are less green, the rental prospects that are much nicer. It took me almost no time at all to find a rental close to my new commute (I prefer remote work, but in this case I'm dealing with actual hardware, and so physical presence is genuinely beneficial and often necessary—I can still work remotely when I need to if I have a delivery, appointment, or something I can't miss but not worth taking a whole day of leave over; and... this stream of thought comment is straying rapidly off topic, so I'll cut it off here).

Re: Show HN: Rental data supplied by tenants in Ireland, searchable by all

#34
Great work! This will actually be something very helpful to a lot of people!

I am curious how you gathered so much user input in the short time this project has been alive ? Where did you prospect for more users to input ? and especially, how do you validate that the inputs are valid and not fake inputs and/or spams ?

Re: Show HN: Rental data supplied by tenants in Ireland, searchable by all

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The rent in Ireland is insane for the quality you get. My GF and I are currently living in my parents house. Collectively we earn ~€200K. New homes are in limited supply. Existing homes are poor quality but demand has increased the prices dramatically. We were looking at a new development and they increased the price by €80K. For a lot of people owning a home is becoming unrealistic.

We did a new build and the planners were a bunch of fossils who were horrified by the idea we didn't want a mouldy pile of concrete blocks. After we built it, the neighbours marveled at how warm a timber home could be - and beautiful.

We ended up moving to the Netherlands but remarkably there were so many homes for rent compared to Ireland it felt easy. I'm in a 5 bedroom house a 20 minute train ride from Amsterdam Centraal for about the price of a 4 bed semi-d in Tullamore. And I don't need a car here.

Ireland's a mess.

Re: Show HN: Rental data supplied by tenants in Ireland, searchable by all

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I moved from Dublin to NYC. Yes the rents here are insane, but there are places to rent! There is often zero availability in Irish cities.

Zero availability would indicate either severe supply shortages due to an inability to build (zoning/regulatory problems a la some municipalities in the US? Something else?) or a price ceiling on rent, leading to an inability for the market to clear (with the equilibrium price being above the legal ceiling). Do you know which applies? As an outsider, it would seem that Ireland has plenty of land on which to build, th…

Very hard to build, very hard to evict (you can be a horrible tenant for years and not get kicked out), very strict price controls (they carry over to the next renter), and lo and behold people decide being a landlord isn't worth the trouble. Property tax is low too so keeping places empty isn't as unappealing as elsewhere.

Re: Show HN: Rental data supplied by tenants in Ireland, searchable by all

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Zero availability would indicate either severe supply shortages due to an inability to build (zoning/regulatory problems a la some municipalities in the US? Something else?) or a price ceiling on rent, leading to an inability for the market to clear (with the equilibrium price being above the legal ceiling). Do you know which applies? As an outsider, it would seem that Ireland has plenty of land on which to build, th…

Ireland and the UK have the worst planning processes in the world leading to worse housing crises than even California. Having zoning would imply that it's legal to do something somewhere, which it basically isn't. In particular the Irish think their island is full of "nature" (when it's actually open fields because the British deforested all of it) and become ecofascists when you suggest any of it could be a buildin…

> open fields because the British deforested all of it

Ah here. It's unfair to solely blame the Brits for that. By the 1600s less than 20% of the island was forested, down from 80% at the start of the neolithic period[1].

[1]: https://www.teagasc.ie/crops/forestry/advice/general-topics/...

Re: Show HN: Rental data supplied by tenants in Ireland, searchable by all

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Not famine then?

That's been over for a while. They can't move back because there's nowhere to live.

I've met thousands and I don't know a single Irish American that has expressed a serious desire to move back.

Don't get me wrong; I'm an Irish American and I'd love to live in Ireland. But I was born and raised in the US and would have to abandon all my friends to move there.

Re: Show HN: Rental data supplied by tenants in Ireland, searchable by all

#39

This might backfire. Large scale landlords and would be tenants are both pretty familiar with the market. The only people not familiar with the market are mom and pop landlords who tend to not update rent with changing market conditions. This increased transparency might cause them to raise rents because it'd be easier to do comps, and they wouldn't previously undercharging a tenant to make it harder to find a new te…

I don’t know how true this is anymore. Apps like Zillow, Apartments.com and the like make it very easy for even small-time landlords to figure out what the market is.

I honestly think Zillow IS a market inefficiency. It's bad enough that it can't be relied on at local scales, yet ubiquitous enough that I think it pushes the market around a bit and has made prices stickier than they should be. It overvalues poorly maintained houses and probably undervalues well-maintained ones. Not sure how much it really helps with price discovery...

Re: Show HN: Rental data supplied by tenants in Ireland, searchable by all

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Little bug -- Legend says Green is renting, blue is sharing, but the map and the popups on the map are the other way around.

Thank you. I added a legend to the map to make it clearer a few minutes ago, can't spot the error. If you still say the text error, let me know. Renamed "Share Your Rent" to "Add Your Rent" to avoid confusion too.
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