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Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by hutzlibu »

isanjay wrote: post #291
midasuni wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big businesses have more resource and more ability to manipulate the public than democratic governments

Big businesses buy politicians too...

Also there is geopolitics involved. A war in the east and every EU regulation against US companies is seen a bit as an attack on the alliance while "we" must stand together against the east.

Also IE was the dominant browser back then, which it is not today, but windows itself is on the desktop. So I think it is abusing monopoly, but instead of trying to regulate it, EU should make a push for open source. Maybe fund it with a big fine for Microsoft. That would be EU politics I could engage with.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by catlover76 »

dc3k wrote: post #109
catlover76 wrote: post #94

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So what is this, exactly? I download this, pay for Windows, use the Windows activation key with ReviOS, and I can get Windows 11 without spy-and-bloat ware? And everything works? All my hardware, all my apps?

Yes to all of your questions, at least in my experience.

Good to know, thanks!

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by josefresco »

zvmaz wrote: post #407
josefresco wrote: post #406

I use Windows 10/11 daily. The number of times Edge was "forced on me": 0 The number of times Edge launched when I expected or wanted my default browser (Firefox): 0 The number of times my browser default was reset to Edge: 0 I just don't understand this outrage. I spend 90% of my time in Firefox/Chrome - I've only started using Edge lately to play with Bing "AI" Chat. I had to search for it!

Are people hallucinating? If so, why? Mere prejudice?

Tech bloggers looking for views find every single way (however improbable) that Edge will disrespect your choice. My experience as a "daily driver" shows these circumstances to be rare. Still waiting for the articles on iCloud.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by josefresco »

phartenfeller wrote: post #413
josefresco wrote: post #406

I use Windows 10/11 daily. The number of times Edge was "forced on me": 0 The number of times Edge launched when I expected or wanted my default browser (Firefox): 0 The number of times my browser default was reset to Edge: 0 I just don't understand this outrage. I spend 90% of my time in Firefox/Chrome - I've only started using Edge lately to play with Bing "AI" Chat. I had to search for it!

Maybe you don't but most people use the central search feature of Windows, which opens Edge and Bing on any web result. If you click on links in the most used email client (Outlook) and business chat app (Teams) Edge opens [1]. How can this not be an outrage? [1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-au/topic/web-links-from-out...

I've tutored many clients (I provide services to small business owners) and haven't seen usage of the Windows search bar once (20 years exp). I understand the outrage about Outlook/Teams however I use neither and in fact see more prompts from Google to use Chrome than I do anything.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by josefresco »

archon810 wrote: post #412
josefresco wrote: post #406

I use Windows 10/11 daily. The number of times Edge was "forced on me": 0 The number of times Edge launched when I expected or wanted my default browser (Firefox): 0 The number of times my browser default was reset to Edge: 0 I just don't understand this outrage. I spend 90% of my time in Firefox/Chrome - I've only started using Edge lately to play with Bing "AI" Chat. I had to search for it!

I had Edge forced on me a number of times and had to change a setting to prevent it from happening. The most recent case in point, I updated my wife's Outlook to the latest version and it started opening all links in Edge. I had to Google it and found that Microsoft forced this change on everybody and I needed to tweak a setting. https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/3/23709297/microsoft-edge-fo...

It's not forced if there's a setting to disable. "Reset my default" would be more accurate.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by alpaca128 »

gokhan wrote: post #208
bachmeier wrote: post #95

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> Linux required almost-daily googling and opening up a terminal to fix or change something. I usually try to avoid discussions of the OS, since it's such a terribly boring topic. However, this is quite an extraordinary claim that is made without any details. Perhaps you could elaborate. As someone that has used various Linux distros for nearly twenty years, I don't think I could construct a scenario in which someone…

My son got a Lenovo T16 AMD for school, wanted to go with Kubuntu and spent one week setting up hibernate. Only solution that works is still hacky, he runs a script that disables then enables some things after returning from hibernation to make networking work. This, on a machine that you can buy with Linux.

My dad bought a Dell and reboots it almost every day because the wifi or USB drivers randomly stop working, on Windows. My own old Dell had a similar issue with the audio driver, it would just randomly stop working and every app trying to play a sound would instantly crash. Luckily in that case a generic Windows driver worked better. So two of three Dell laptops in our family were basically shipped in a broken state. My Surface Pro soft bricked itself during a normal shutdown.

I had great experiences with Windows in the past, but not anymore.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by katbyte »

josefresco wrote: post #425
archon810 wrote: post #412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had Edge forced on me a number of times and had to change a setting to prevent it from happening. The most recent case in point, I updated my wife's Outlook to the latest version and it started opening all links in Edge. I had to Google it and found that Microsoft forced this change on everybody and I needed to tweak a setting. https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/3/23709297/microsoft-edge-fo...

It's not forced if there's a setting to disable. "Reset my default" would be more accurate.

That is literally forcing edge on people.. it is ignoring their choice, and forcing them to use edge or change the desired browsers.

It is not forcing them to use it (mostly) but it is forcing edge on them in a dark pattern which needs to be called out.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by wtp1saac »

hospitalJail wrote: post #332

This was one of the straws that finally got me to switch to Linux. Enough complaining about M$, change to Linux and email every company that isnt fully supporting Linux that they need to adopt to 2023 computing.

This 100%. US regulation is woefully inadequate, and even if the EU has teeth, US companies are gonna treat them as toothless and see how far they can get screwing over the world.

It’s time to fight back against Big Tech by refusing to use it as much as humanly possible. Especially those of us on the software side that could contribute to improving the FOSS space.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by gchamonlive »

josefresco wrote: post #425
archon810 wrote: post #412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had Edge forced on me a number of times and had to change a setting to prevent it from happening. The most recent case in point, I updated my wife's Outlook to the latest version and it started opening all links in Edge. I had to Google it and found that Microsoft forced this change on everybody and I needed to tweak a setting. https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/3/23709297/microsoft-edge-fo...

It's not forced if there's a setting to disable. "Reset my default" would be more accurate.

Maybe not forced, but definitely hostile

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by marcosdumay »

Jedd wrote: post #292
p1necone wrote: post #45

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The main problem with Debian is outdated software. For servers the fixed release cycle is great, everything is properly tested and it should be rock solid without really needing to touch it. But for a regular desktop/workstation system I want more frequent software updates even if it comes at the cost of a little stability. (Of course there's Debian unstable, but I'd rather go with a distro where the rolling release…

> The main problem with Debian is outdated software. I'm a Debian user. I see this a lot. Often in contrast with Ubuntu. Yet Debian's cycle is roughly on par with Ubuntu's LTS - every ~2 years.[0] Perhaps they mean there are interim releases in Ubuntu? It's hard to say for sure, as the phrase 'outdated software' can mean different things (more than 6 months old, more than 2 years old, in need of a security patch for…

> This sounds like you want Debian Testing

Please, don't recommend Debian Testing to unsuspecting people. The distro is aimed at people that know what they are getting, and has no guarantee it will keep working unless you know really well what you are doing.

Even Unstable is supposed to be more beginner friendly.

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