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Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Ubuntu is very usable for a desktop OS.

Except they too pushed ads (ubuntu advantage) and snap and other annoying stuff.

Windows: ads in the start menu, candy crush, hey you are trying to install chrome and I don't like that.

Ubuntu: one line message in the terminal about we released thing, feel free to try it.

Yeah, basically the same thing.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Wasn’t this breaking the law the last time?

I remember it was calls to split Microsoft into separate companies, one for the operating system and one for the internet divisions. Looks like it’s time now.

Last time Microsoft had the default web browser they were horrible stewards of the web. I’ll never forget them delaying supporting PNG.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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I gave my old parents the latest hand-me-up laptop and installed ubutntu on it because of windows 11. The install process and default configuration is so user hostile to someone that "just needs to use chrome". My niece & nephew have only known ChromeOS/iOS/Android. They will never use windows until a college course requires some specific software, or they get a desk job. I think they will for sure eventually "learn…

Windows is effectively also the reason for the modular PC platform to exist. If peak Windows also means peak modular hardware, it's a dim future with closed Apple and Android-style hardware. Nothing's composable, OS is bound to the specific piece of hardware.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Glad I switched to ReviOS and don’t have to deal with these shenanigans. https://revi.cc/

I've been out of the Windows world for years, but seeing a lot of games are now available on Linux, and drivers, why not build a Linux gaming PC? I mean what else would you need a PC with Windows for? This ReviOS stuff has all the smoke signals of too good to be true .

If you need to run MS Office, 3D CAD or animation software, the Adobe suite, and other things, you need Windows. As much as I'd like it if Linux became the default, WINE just doesn't cut it for every program yet

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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I'm surprised no one has brought up United States v. Microsoft yet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor... . They were successfully sued for favoring their browser over others, and faced being broken up. Though their actions now are not as egregious as those actions 25 years ago, it's obvious that no lesson has been learned.

They did learn a lesson; from Google and Apple.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Microsoft Edge is a privacy nightmare. They have buried dozens of data-collection settings in so many menus under so many different names and categories it's insane. You literally need a book to know which settings to turn off, and even then they keep adding new settings at a very high rate hidden in "security updates"

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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I used to be a huge Windows fan, but shoving Edge upon me so aggressively has made me decide it’s time to move on. Moving forward, I’m only buying Apple or Linux devices.

I bought my pre-teen a prebuilt pc for gaming recently. Figured windows 11 would be easier due to compatibility with games and it being pre installed. After screwing with it for several hours to remove as much crap as possible, What I found was that every time it restarted there was a new prompt to reenable something, surreptitiously start using a ms service, etc. I gave up and installed Ubuntu. Not every game works perfectly, but most do, and its no longer a confusing experience for my kid.

I mean what the hell. My kid just wants to play minecraft for Christ's sake.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Microsoft only continue to make Windows desktop because businesses "need it", and it's a gateway to sell people azure and office. Eventually they will open source as much of it as they can, or rather, build a flavour of windows that is Linux and essentially distribute binaries for the directx stuff and other things they're not willing to fully release the code on. mark my words, Windows isn't dying a natural death, i…

Open sourcing windows probably would be so difficult that you could consider it a nearly impossible task.

Over 40 years of licensing and patent agreements with thousands of companies and institutions with the unavoidable flux of acquisitions, merges and deaths, big customer agreements. You'll need an army of lawyers and sizable team of developers working in a multi-year project to secure all the paperworks and sanitize the code where you couldn't reach an agreement with the other party.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except they too pushed ads (ubuntu advantage) and snap and other annoying stuff.

Windows: ads in the start menu, candy crush, hey you are trying to install chrome and I don't like that. Ubuntu: one line message in the terminal about we released thing, feel free to try it. Yeah, basically the same thing.

It's the same thing, just one company has taken it further. I realize this is a slippery slope argument, but when there are countless examples of how this slopes is slippery, I think it's a valid point of contention.
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