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Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by smt88 »

foxylad wrote: post #60
biogene wrote: post #37

I don't care for edge for the most part, but there is actually one integration with edge that I have come to like. When I click on an email link inside outlook, edge opens the link, and also displays a sidebar which displays the email. Super handy IMO. Somehow we need to find a balance that allows vendors to tightly integrate their apps but prevent abusing this. MS is everyone's favorite whipping boy, but I fear what…

Sad you didn't see Linux as a better alternative to OSX. I credit it with making me at least 10% more productive over the twenty years I've used it, partly because it is stable and fast, but mostly because it isn't trying to sell me stuff while I work.

My experience is the opposite. I spent 15 years on Linux desktops until finally switching to Windows for the sake of my producivity.

I've seen promoted links in Win10/11, but never anything that harmed my productivity. Most importantly, the OS just fades into the background. I never think about it.

Linux required almost-daily googling and opening up a terminal to fix or change something. It became maddening eventually.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by [deleted] »

foxylad wrote: post #60
biogene wrote: post #37

I don't care for edge for the most part, but there is actually one integration with edge that I have come to like. When I click on an email link inside outlook, edge opens the link, and also displays a sidebar which displays the email. Super handy IMO. Somehow we need to find a balance that allows vendors to tightly integrate their apps but prevent abusing this. MS is everyone's favorite whipping boy, but I fear what…

Sad you didn't see Linux as a better alternative to OSX. I credit it with making me at least 10% more productive over the twenty years I've used it, partly because it is stable and fast, but mostly because it isn't trying to sell me stuff while I work.

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Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by alexfromapex »

piyh wrote: post #7

I gave my old parents the latest hand-me-up laptop and installed ubutntu on it because of windows 11. The install process and default configuration is so user hostile to someone that "just needs to use chrome". My niece & nephew have only known ChromeOS/iOS/Android. They will never use windows until a college course requires some specific software, or they get a desk job. I think they will for sure eventually "learn…

I hope so, Microsoft is a terrible monopolistic company and the PC landscape would be better off without them.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by userbinator »

brirec wrote: post #27
dc3k wrote: post #5

Glad I switched to ReviOS and don’t have to deal with these shenanigans. https://revi.cc/

Huh, I thought people around these parts knew better than to trust some hacked up Windows “distribution.” At that point you might as well just use an illegitimately-activated copy of LTSC — at least you can be sure it wasn’t tampered with. Especially since installing Windows using customized install media is explicitly prohibited by the EULA of almost all Windows editions. You have to have the same sort of enterprise…

I thought people around these parts knew better than to trust some hacked up Windows “distribution.”

That's what the corporate propaganda wants you to think --- that you are to trust Big Tech unconditionally, including all their user-hostilities, because they are supposed to be "good for you" somehow.

While I have no doubt that some customised ISOs may contain malware, in my experience the "official" malware is really no better, and I can't think of any well-documented instances of trimmed Windows distros actually containing third-party malware, so I suspect the campaign against them, much like the similar one against cracks/patches/keygens, is mostly FUD to advance the interests of Big Tech.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by perryizgr8 »

pacifika wrote: post #85
perryizgr8 wrote: post #84

This is such a non issue. Might as well complain about ios shipping with safari as default.

But it’s not about it shipping edge by default.

Yeah, it's not. That's why I said it is "like" complaining about shipping safari as default. Because it is not exactly the same thing, but comparable.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by senknvd »

p1necone wrote: post #45
k12sosse wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question, why not just Debian and use a derivative instead? I took a 20 year sabbatical on Linux in the home. But with windows 11, I decided to go back. Stopped on debian, and chose Debian when I came back. I am super impressed with how it has matured and it seems to be built in a way that really does a fair job on looking out for you as a user, and as an administrator.

The main problem with Debian is outdated software. For servers the fixed release cycle is great, everything is properly tested and it should be rock solid without really needing to touch it. But for a regular desktop/workstation system I want more frequent software updates even if it comes at the cost of a little stability. (Of course there's Debian unstable, but I'd rather go with a distro where the rolling release…

I find that Flatpaks[1] work really well for getting the latest version of GUI-only apps. For CLI tools and libraries I haven't found a great solution but I make do with an Arch Linux distrobox[2] container.

[1]: https://flathub.org/setup/Debian [2]: https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/distrobox

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by LilBytes »

heywoodlh wrote: post #23
dc3k wrote: post #5

Glad I switched to ReviOS and don’t have to deal with these shenanigans. https://revi.cc/

As a person who only uses Windows for gaming (I use Linux or MacOS everywhere else), I worry about these custom Windows ISOs being merely reskins of Windows. I would love to hear what you like about it -- I think I may try it out, as the sales pitch looks compelling: > It aspires to re-create what Windows as an operating system should have been - easy and simple > ReviOS [is] a capable, efficient yet private operatin…

Yeah I'll do the same and report back. Might make a Show HN to talk about it.

I need to better understand how updates work however, turning off auto updates is a concern. So I'll mostly be focusing on usability and how updates are managed as part of their tooling.

1st edit: Noticed a few broken links on their site regarding updates, I've created an issue on GH: https://github.com/meetrevision/revision-tool/issues/38

2nd edit: I'm not sure how I feel about disabling Windows Defender. https://revi.cc/docs/faq/after/defender/

If you're not using Windows Defender, you'd want to use something else and I don't know what to recommend except Malware Bytes. I do have Malware Bytes running too so perhaps it's redundant, but as far as AVs (antivirus') go, Defender is the best of a very broad, bad bunch.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by richiebful1 »

piyh wrote: post #7

I gave my old parents the latest hand-me-up laptop and installed ubutntu on it because of windows 11. The install process and default configuration is so user hostile to someone that "just needs to use chrome". My niece & nephew have only known ChromeOS/iOS/Android. They will never use windows until a college course requires some specific software, or they get a desk job. I think they will for sure eventually "learn…

I'm a 'non-traditional' student (25) and my fellow students are normal undergraduate age (19).

Half are having a hard time with learning some of the CAD software because they lack the experience with full featured Desktop OS's like Windows/Linux/Mac. It's surprising how fast generational change occurs

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