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Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by physicles »

nyanpasu64 wrote: post #10
piyh wrote: post #7

I gave my old parents the latest hand-me-up laptop and installed ubutntu on it because of windows 11. The install process and default configuration is so user hostile to someone that "just needs to use chrome". My niece & nephew have only known ChromeOS/iOS/Android. They will never use windows until a college course requires some specific software, or they get a desk job. I think they will for sure eventually "learn…

Ubuntu is now bundling advertisements for their paid services in apt upgrade output and the GUI software sources manager, in packages which cannot be uninstalled because they're hard dependencies of the `ubuntu-desktop` metapackage. Plus they've replaced Firefox with a package which installs a Snap, which loads so slowly they added a "snap opened" notification.

This is one of the reasons why I stopped using Ubuntu and switched to pop os. Is there something keeping you from switching to another Debian derivative?

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by heywoodlh »

dc3k wrote: post #5

Glad I switched to ReviOS and don’t have to deal with these shenanigans. https://revi.cc/

As a person who only uses Windows for gaming (I use Linux or MacOS everywhere else), I worry about these custom Windows ISOs being merely reskins of Windows. I would love to hear what you like about it -- I think I may try it out, as the sales pitch looks compelling:

> It aspires to re-create what Windows as an operating system should have been - easy and simple

> ReviOS [is] a capable, efficient yet private operating system

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by voxelghost »

freeAgent wrote: post #14
fortran77 wrote: post #9

Horrible! At least Apple doesn't force Safari on iOS users.

They force the engine, which is bad, but much less bad (IMO, at least) than forcing a full-blown browser full of insanely privacy-invasive defaults on users.

And they only force the engine on iOS, not Mac OS, as far as I know.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by physicles »

k12sosse wrote: post #13

Microsoft only continue to make Windows desktop because businesses "need it", and it's a gateway to sell people azure and office. Eventually they will open source as much of it as they can, or rather, build a flavour of windows that is Linux and essentially distribute binaries for the directx stuff and other things they're not willing to fully release the code on. mark my words, Windows isn't dying a natural death, i…

I agree that windows is a gateway to sell people on office, but open sourcing it? Getting decades worth of apps and drivers working on the Linux kernel instead of, you know, doing nothing? I don’t see how either one benefits them.

They’re just monetizing users as much as they can stand to juice revenue. No other explanation is needed.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by brirec »

dc3k wrote: post #5

Glad I switched to ReviOS and don’t have to deal with these shenanigans. https://revi.cc/

Huh, I thought people around these parts knew better than to trust some hacked up Windows “distribution.”

At that point you might as well just use an illegitimately-activated copy of LTSC — at least you can be sure it wasn’t tampered with.

Especially since installing Windows using customized install media is explicitly prohibited by the EULA of almost all Windows editions. You have to have the same sort of enterprise support contract with Microsoft that would get you access to LTSC to legally use this thing anyway.

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Post by UberFly »

owenpalmer wrote: post #19

Windows 11 is awful. I'll continue to use windows 10 on my personal laptop for as long as possible.

Win10 requires a lot of tweaking to make it usable. Win11 just requires more. I'm guessing every windows version going forward will be on the same escalator. When it's un-tweakable it'll be time for me to go.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by retrocryptid »

post_break wrote: post #25

Microsoft is also forcing office 365 support to end on windows servers in 2025/2026. It's going to be a blood bath if you run on prem.

Meh. I just use text files and emacs. And I hacked sc to use emacs key bindings for spreadsheets. It's far from an ideal system, but it works for me. Simplicity can be nice.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by freeAgent »

voxelghost wrote: post #24
freeAgent wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They force the engine, which is bad, but much less bad (IMO, at least) than forcing a full-blown browser full of insanely privacy-invasive defaults on users.

And they only force the engine on iOS, not Mac OS, as far as I know.

Yes, on MacOS you can use whatever browser you like, engine and all, while being unmolested for favoring something not-Safari. That’s why, after a lifetime of being a Windows user, my most recent PC purchase was a MacBook Air. I would prefer to use Linux, but where I’m at in my life, I just want something that works relatively well out of the box, and I use some software that won’t run on Linux.
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