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Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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We've had a warm few days but overall its been a pretty wet summer in the UK. Last year was warmer. Re the chart - did temperature recording start in 1980? Can't we have the temperature that is on record (ie back to 1880 or whatever), if you are going to claim this is the hottest on record... Stuff like that is suspicious.

1976 anyone?

1976 is famous for being a scorching summer (at least with Brits over a certain age), but it's not in the top ten of our temperature records. Seven of those ten are from this century :-(

At the other poster mentioned, records began around 1880.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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I disagree that you need to be miserable. Humans are very good at getting used to their circumstances, and some of the changes would be net positives on the personal level. I know I'm way happier now that I ride my bicycle as my main method of transportation. But also, climate change is already making us miserable. I went on vacation and it was impossible to be outside between 12-3, so we had to plan our days around…

What works for you doesn't work for everyone. There are many, many places in the world where using a bicycle as a main method of transportation would be impractical and miserable. Short of force, this isn't going to happen.

Yes, the entire idea is to refactor our cities and societies so that most people can and do use the low carbon option.

It's not commuting 40Km by bicycle, it's raising the price of gas to the point that people choose to live at a distance where they can bicycle to work. At the same time you need to build housing and bike infrastructure to make sure everyone can have access to it.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Maybe Greenland will finally get populated and maybe people will stop living in hurricane zones

Yes yes the solution here is to physically move hundreds or thousands of years of capital investment, especially forms of capital investment that cannot be moved and are just abandoned/destroyed. That way we can emit a bunch more to rebuild that already-built infrastructure in a different locale!

To be honest, we could use a hard reset like that every once in a while.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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> It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's not that big of a problem. The thing is, we have no reason to believe halting climate will do anything other than boost the economy. The reason for inaction despite the fact that it’ll make tons of new jobs, and remo…

> We could see huge reductions in our food-related emissions simply by eating pork or chicken that would be great, if only more than 2.5 billion people did not eat pork for various religious or cultural restrictions. food restrictions are among some of the most difficult habits to overcome, proven by the fact that they resisted for thousands of years. we could also eat insects or worms, but we don't it, what makes yo…

> that would be great, if only more than 2.5 billion people did not eat pork for various religious or cultural restrictions.

I used “other common protein sources” to avoid having to list every single alternative from fish to nuts, and I’d note that the populations for whom that’s true traditionally ate proteins which were not beef because it’s comparatively expensive: chicken, fish, legumes, nuts, cheese (still way less CO2), etc.

That’s the key thing here: we’re not asking people to eat Soylent green or extruded nutrient pellets, or to never eat beef, but simply to restore the range of foods from their own cultural tradition prior to the mid-20th century western promotion of beef as the highest status protein. My grandfather grew up eating beef twice a year (when his cousins dairy culled the herd) and it was fine - I’m sure he’s do it again if it meant his great grandchildren had a better world.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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The conspiracy-minded part of me really wants to link this year to the sulfur reductions in ship emissions kicking in this year. The fact that there's basically only one person really trumpeting this in a way kind of indistinguishable from things I know are false is hard though. Hank Green pointing out that we could just spray water into the air to get the same effect (and avoid the whole "sulfur" thing in general) g…

Not sure what the "conspiracy" would be, but yeah, the sulfur reductions in ship emissions is definitely a factor. Someone needs to figure out large scale injection of SO2 to the stratosphere. Don't wait for permission, just do it!

This is literally just taken from a fiction book.

It's a good book, I enjoyed it. But,it's just a story. Geo engineering should probably be done pretty carefully

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Where are you getting this? I don’t see anything in the article to suggest it’s based on anything but actual observation data.

Because it's always a model, and has plenty of parameters to tweak, there is no "measuring the temperature of the earth at all points at the same time." There's always assumptions and interpolation

Yeah, that makes sense—I thought op was suggesting it wasn’t primarily from observed data. Still, it seems clear that it should be possible to make conclusions about average temperature and trends from a large set of collected data, if it the statistical methodology is rigorous. Simply casting doubt (as it seems like the op is doing) without offering anything to question those methodologies adds nothing of value to the discussion.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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I think humans are one of those species, as they cannot survive wet bulb over 95f nor can current populations survive across the collapse of agriculture, hence the problem

That doesn't take technology into account, though. Not arguing one way or the other, but humans are well advanced beyond any species, and are ingenious and inventive to boot. I don't think humans are so easy to wipe out, not on the timeline predicted.

Not at all. Many humans are definitely surviving this no matter what. It's just the extra 2 billion or so that won't have access to whatever new "technology" is needed to survive.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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> We could see huge reductions in our food-related emissions simply by eating pork or chicken that would be great, if only more than 2.5 billion people did not eat pork for various religious or cultural restrictions. food restrictions are among some of the most difficult habits to overcome, proven by the fact that they resisted for thousands of years. we could also eat insects or worms, but we don't it, what makes yo…

> that would be great, if only more than 2.5 billion people did not eat pork for various religious or cultural restrictions. I used “other common protein sources” to avoid having to list every single alternative from fish to nuts, and I’d note that the populations for whom that’s true traditionally ate proteins which were not beef because it’s comparatively expensive: chicken, fish, legumes, nuts, cheese (still way l…

> because it’s comparatively expensive

that's my point exactlt.

switching beef with pork wouldn't make a big impact, because

- it's already not the preferred source of protein anywhere

- Americans eat too much meat anyway, regardless of where it comes from.

Reduce is the most important of the 3 Rs (reduce, reuse, recycle) but the western World settled on the least important, recycle, because it can be turned into a profitable business, while reduce promotes moderation, which is like swearing in a church for many Americans.

I am Italian and still eat nuts, legumes and eggs for proteins much more than meat, especially beef.

It's the culprit of the Mediterranean diet and it's shared among many other cultures that built their culinary traditions around the same ingredients. Chinese traditional food is much more similar to my own family's traditional food in center Italy than the typical US diet will ever be.

So maybe Americans should simply embrace other, better diets, instead of replacing some type of meat with some other type of meat. intensive farming of pigs it's not much better than beef

The environmental impact of pig farming is mainly driven by the spread of feces and waste to surrounding neighborhoods, polluting air and water with toxic waste particles. Waste from pig farms can carry pathogens, bacteria (often antibiotic resistant), and heavy metals that can be toxic when ingested.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Honestly, at this point I'm beyond caring much what stuff sounds like "to a skeptic". The past 15 or so years have proven to me that "skeptics" can believe whatever TF they want, all logic and and reason be damned, as long as there is a snazzy YouTube video pointing out how it's all a CoNSp1RacY by the Secret Global Elite. I'm done with trying to convince people who have made it extremely adamant that they aren't wil…

Sure, there are some people who are not persuadable no matter what. But there are other people who are not crazy but who see stuff like this and have legitimate doubts.

This is a cop-out.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Europe doesn't have food insecurity. Health is pretty good and there's a safety net. Even China scores pretty well on those points. Yet their per capita emissions are much lower than the US.

There is much poverty in China outside of major cities and near nonexistent safety net in all regards. This is a country where a sizable chunk of population lives on less than 6 USD per day (not enough to bribe the doctor to get "universal" healthcare in case of something serious) and where the gov has recently made posting videos of poor people on social media punishable as "against national interest". You also shou…

In China, the life expectancy already exceeded that of the US. They don't need to spend more on healthcare!
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