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Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

mindcandy wrote: post #18
echelon wrote: post #4

We're technically still in an ice age [1]. How far does this need to go to reach the end of that ice age [2]? The Cretaceous period was over ten degrees warmer than our current period [3,4,5]. It supported a lot (though much different) biodiversity. How long would it take us to push into these temperature ranges? And how long to exceed them? How much species diversity will we lose at each half degree increment from t…

Climate change deniers tell each other we are coming out of The Little Ice Age that started in 1200AD. Which is technically correct. What they don’t tell each other is that “Little” is an understatement and we shot way past the prior “Medieval Warm Period” long ago and are only accelerating. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age#/media/File%3...

no, scientists do too.

https://www.space.com/climate-change-termination-event-end-i...

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by Projectiboga »

markus_zhang wrote: post #63

How is the metric measured? I read https://climate.copernicus.eu/summer-2023-hottest-record but didn't get a good idea. Maybe I missed something. Reason I ask is because strangely we got a very cool summer for the previous 3 months in Eastern Canada. But that's part of earth so I'm asking about the method, how the weight is distributed, etc.

Our region still has cooling from Greenland glacial melting. The catches are that the reflectiveness is going down and worse ice takes lots of heat to melt but way way less for that melted water to heat further. The previous climate shifts including 5 major extinction event major climate shifts happened over maybe a dozen years. El Nino is just starting now in September the records of the last three months were just when the cool phase La Nina was over before the coming few super heated years. And the civilization collapse tipping point from massive Arctic methane release may happen in the next few years. This climate scientist has been warning of mass human extinction by about the year 2026 for awhile now! https://arctic-news.blogspot.com

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by mrcwinn »

jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

Look around. Everyone on earth wants to maintain a standard of living. Governments are toppled over this.

And yet it is the largest economy that is objectively slowing its share of contributed emissions. And it’s the largest exhibit that is helping to drive the innovation needed to solve this problem, alongside incredible people from all parts of the globe.

I wish we weren’t dealing with this. I wish there had been a better, more cost effective way to grow. Maybe if you or I hadn’t been born, our emissions might lower enough to make the difference.

But I’d suggest now isn’t the time to count scores. We need to stay focused and continue the work. Despite our flaws we are all worth saving.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by swader999 »

pc86 wrote: post #107
refurb wrote: post #74

The chart is from 1991 to 2023 by the looks of the article?

There are three charts in the article. Two are 1979-2023 and the other appears to just be the top 30 hottest months from the same time period.

This is a ridiculously short period for these sorts of claims.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by piuantiderp »

Etrnl_President wrote: post #29
mindcandy wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Climate change deniers tell each other we are coming out of The Little Ice Age that started in 1200AD. Which is technically correct. What they don’t tell each other is that “Little” is an understatement and we shot way past the prior “Medieval Warm Period” long ago and are only accelerating. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age#/media/File%3...

People believe we are coming out of an ice age? This means they deny climate is changing. The more you know…

It's not belief...This is a pretty accepted fact, the debate amongst the educated is about the speed and causes of the change (man-made vs not)

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #121
jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

> and it's not that big of a problem. it actually is and it's really big. Not to say that we shouldn't reduce our consumerism, but not by lowering our living standards. It would immediately harm if not kill the weakest/poorer segments of every Country's population.

I'm fairly sure that living standards will be lowered by floods, fires and other climate catastrophes. Not doing enough to stop CO2 production will result in a lot of lowered living standards, including making some areas of the world uninhabitable without air conditioning etc.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by pier25 »

badtension wrote: post #7

> It was the hottest August on record – by a large margin – and the second hottest ever month after July 2023, according to the Copernicus Climate Change Service ERA 5 dataset. August as a whole is estimated to have been around 1.5°C warmer than the preindustrial average for 1850-1900, according to the C3S monthly climate bulletin. Thinking about getting to 1.5 C averaged over the planet is surreal and we are still 3…

Even if a miracle happens and we get to net zero, warming will continue for decades due to climate lag and feedbacks.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by verisimi »

verisimi wrote: post #127
jmondi wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a collective effort. If you don’t realize that, you will not get anywhere in your goals of reducing climate change.

Isn't it funny that the only option is going to be greater government, that forces its citizens to act against their own interests? The real winner in this situation is government! (Exclamation mark, but I'm not actually surprised.) You have to wonder whether this is a self-serving agenda for those who run it.

and who are the World Meteorological Organization?

> The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) is a specialized agency of the United Nations responsible for promoting international cooperation on atmospheric science, climatology, hydrology and geophysics.

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Meteorological_Organizat...

Ok - so its the UN. The UN is an UNelected body that presents itself as the face of world government.

> The United Nations (UN) is an intergovernmental organization whose stated purposes are to maintain international peace and security, develop friendly relations among nations, achieve international cooperation, and serve as a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations

The unprecedented disaster is the increase in global governance!

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by swader999 »

echelon wrote: post #85
mindcandy wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

eschelon said that we are in an ice age and multiple people asked “how can you call this an ice age?” I either didn’t see the linked reference or it wasn’t there when I read eschelon’s comment. Either way, I’ve seen the Little Ice Age come up enough lately to be extremely irritating. So, I knee-jerked the rebuttal. Now I think eschelon was actually asking if we are overriding the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quate…

I'm not a climate change denier. I'm very interested in climate science, I'm just not informed as I'd like to be. I edited my comment to include sources for things I knew off-hand. I left the core comment largely intact, just changing a few words to better flow with the sources. I want more information and reading around the questions I asked. From my understanding, it looks like we're about to enter a period that is…

Considering that the tropics only contain a third of the land mass it makes sense for humanity to not fight this warming.
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