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Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

> and it's not that big of a problem.

it actually is and it's really big.

Not to say that we shouldn't reduce our consumerism, but not by lowering our living standards. It would immediately harm if not kill the weakest/poorer segments of every Country's population.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by verisimi »

We've had a warm few days but overall its been a pretty wet summer in the UK. Last year was warmer.

Re the chart - did temperature recording start in 1980? Can't we have the temperature that is on record (ie back to 1880 or whatever), if you are going to claim this is the hottest on record... Stuff like that is suspicious.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by stavros »

jmondi wrote: post #103
jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

And what about all the countries that won’t do anything regardless? So we should just tank our own economy while being unable to do anything about our neighbors? It won’t take tanking the economy, it would take world war 3.

> So we should just tank our own economy while being unable to do anything about our neighbors?

Yes.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by dtech »

ZeroFries wrote: post #113
jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

Have you done the cost:benefit analysis? Curious what makes you so confident that "crashing the economy" (you're aware of all the excess death and despair this would cause?) is the best move here.

I mean it's pretty obvious that our current situation is already causing death and despair (droughts, wildfires, hurricanes) and this will only increase on our current trajectory.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by zx8080 »

edhelas wrote: post #118
huntertwo wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realize that would cause countless death _today_ if you don’t replace the oil with something else? People will starve, become homeless, and maybe anarchy will reign. Not just in the developed world but globally.

Sounds like what will actually happen _tomorrow_ if we don't act radically _now_.

Just to be sure, are you proposing killing people today so that they don't die tomorrow?

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by jug »

echelon wrote: post #4

We're technically still in an ice age [1]. How far does this need to go to reach the end of that ice age [2]? The Cretaceous period was over ten degrees warmer than our current period [3,4,5]. It supported a lot (though much different) biodiversity. How long would it take us to push into these temperature ranges? And how long to exceed them? How much species diversity will we lose at each half degree increment from t…

It’s pretty useless to debate biodiversity and keeping it intact because the real killer is not the temperature increase by a degree or two but the speed.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by verisimi »

jmondi wrote: post #115
micromacrofoot wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“I won’t stop because they won’t stop” is going to destroy the planet

It is a collective effort. If you don’t realize that, you will not get anywhere in your goals of reducing climate change.

Isn't it funny that the only option is going to be greater government, that forces its citizens to act against their own interests?

The real winner in this situation is government! (Exclamation mark, but I'm not actually surprised.)

You have to wonder whether this is a self-serving agenda for those who run it.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by moritz »

NotYourLawyer wrote: post #68
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, at this point I'm beyond caring much what stuff sounds like "to a skeptic". The past 15 or so years have proven to me that "skeptics" can believe whatever TF they want, all logic and and reason be damned, as long as there is a snazzy YouTube video pointing out how it's all a CoNSp1RacY by the Secret Global Elite. I'm done with trying to convince people who have made it extremely adamant that they aren't wil…

Sure, there are some people who are not persuadable no matter what. But there are other people who are not crazy but who see stuff like this and have legitimate doubts.

Sure, we only built gigantonormous infrastructures to measure about everything on every cm of this planet, 10s of thousands of highly qualified experts from all over the world work on this full time and have been saying the same thing for decades, but “there are people” who have “““legitimate doubts”””. Sure.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by piuantiderp »

bandyaboot wrote: post #96
hypertele-Xii wrote: post #79

*) based on a computer model.

Where are you getting this? I don’t see anything in the article to suggest it’s based on anything but actual observation data.

Because it's always a model, and has plenty of parameters to tweak, there is no "measuring the temperature of the earth at all points at the same time."

There's always assumptions and interpolation

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

RandomLensman wrote: post #120
edhelas wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like what will actually happen _tomorrow_ if we don't act radically _now_.

Nothing of that sort will happen "tomorrow", and even if true it would not justify genocidal policies today.

The true genocidal policy is to continue dumping CO2 into the atmosphere in increasing amounts. Personally, I feel it is more honest for us to deal with the outcomes of what "we" are doing now, rather than just leaving it for our children to deal with.
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