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Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by hotpotamus »

ForestCritter wrote: post #12
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #5

>If the C3S dataset only currently starts in 1979, how can you then provide temperatures relating to the pre-industrial era? >In order to relate global mean temperature derived from the C3S dataset (ERA5) to the pre-industrial era, we use the estimate that the 1981-2010 reference period is approximately 0.69°C and that the 1991-2020 reference period is approximately 0.88°C warmer than the period 1850-1900, the time p…

I can't back it up because it was a televised congressional committee hearing and I don't remember the name of the scientist but he said that his data he had been studying and working with that was published in the 1940's was different from the data that is now published for that same time period. He made no accusations he just said his data showed no signs of global warming. So, I guess as a skeptic, yes this does m…

As someone who has lived in South Texas my whole life and seen summers go from uncomfortably hot when I was a child to now dangerous to life, I have to say that my data leads me to believe that we're doomed. I do wish I could believe what you believe though; much like I wish there was a god in heaven who loves and protects me - it seems to really help people get through the day, but I seem to be incapable of believing it myself.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by BurningFrog »

rtpg wrote: post #9

The conspiracy-minded part of me really wants to link this year to the sulfur reductions in ship emissions kicking in this year. The fact that there's basically only one person really trumpeting this in a way kind of indistinguishable from things I know are false is hard though. Hank Green pointing out that we could just spray water into the air to get the same effect (and avoid the whole "sulfur" thing in general) g…

Not sure what the "conspiracy" would be, but yeah, the sulfur reductions in ship emissions is definitely a factor.

Someone needs to figure out large scale injection of SO2 to the stratosphere. Don't wait for permission, just do it!

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by willcipriano »

jncfhnb wrote: post #20
willcipriano wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> agriculture needed to feed the amount of people doesn't seem like it will survive and be efficient if this keeps on going The earth is getting greener, rapidly. The maximum human carrying capacity is probably higher than ever and populations are shrinking at the same time. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fer...

That is irrelevant to the quote you cited.

Hint: The green stuff is food, for either humans or animals humans can eat.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by ilyt »

rtpg wrote: post #9

The conspiracy-minded part of me really wants to link this year to the sulfur reductions in ship emissions kicking in this year. The fact that there's basically only one person really trumpeting this in a way kind of indistinguishable from things I know are false is hard though. Hank Green pointing out that we could just spray water into the air to get the same effect (and avoid the whole "sulfur" thing in general) g…

"Just do that simple thing, it will fix the problem" rarely works all that well for the complex system unless "this thing" is "stop doing something that makes it worse".

Like that one time China decided sparrows are a problem then discovered what they exactly eat aside from grain...

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by myshpa »

willcipriano wrote: post #17
janosdebugs wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if that is the case, the agriculture needed to feed the amount of people on the planet doesn't seem like it will survive and be efficient if this keeps on going. It doesn't matter if it's human-made or not, if we don't get it under control, a whole lot of people will die and the current amount of refugees will seem quaint in comparison. The planet will probably be fine in a few hundred thousand years, it's just…

> agriculture needed to feed the amount of people doesn't seem like it will survive and be efficient if this keeps on going The earth is getting greener, rapidly. The maximum human carrying capacity is probably higher than ever and populations are shrinking at the same time. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fer...

> The earth is getting greener, rapidly

https://skepticalscience.com/co2-plant-food-basic.htm

https://skepticalscience.com/co2-plant-food-advanced.htm

> The maximum human carrying capacity is probably higher than ever

https://www.mdpi.com/2673-4060/4/3/32

The Human Ecology of Overshoot: Why a Major ‘Population Correction’ Is Inevitable

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by enraged_camel »

totetsu wrote: post #14
moffkalast wrote: post #2

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Dont let global warming get you down, civilizations die all the time, just like that, why ours could wake up dead tomorrow.

Part of me feels sad, part of me feels dread, and part of me says, "well, we're just reaping what we have been (and still are) sowing, and we collectively deserve all that is coming." All the suffering sucks though.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by mistrial9 »

myshpa wrote: post #13
rtpg wrote: post #9

The conspiracy-minded part of me really wants to link this year to the sulfur reductions in ship emissions kicking in this year. The fact that there's basically only one person really trumpeting this in a way kind of indistinguishable from things I know are false is hard though. Hank Green pointing out that we could just spray water into the air to get the same effect (and avoid the whole "sulfur" thing in general) g…

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/30/radical-... Dismissing SRM technology, Prof Joeri Rogelj of Imperial College, London, called it “irresponsible, dangerous and a threat to the manageability” of our survival, saying: “It is not a solution but an extremely dangerous band-aid that covers up the global warming problem without healing it, creating a false and unwarranted sense of climate safety while the…

the ordinary human ego has adopted itself to larger-than-large for survival. I claim that ordinary humans will use their ordinary ego to invent ways to "manage" the changes that are occurring.. and that will happen repeatedly, despite all reason or science.

It is important not to start direct confrontation when someone is showing signs of listening at all.. simple minded responses are ordinary. That is exactly why nation-level Science is being applied, right?. It should not be shocking that ordinary people reply with simplistic responses. The situation is too extreme for the pleasures of ordinary quarralling -- disciplined discourse is called for, even if most people are not willing or able.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by Etrnl_President »

mindcandy wrote: post #18
echelon wrote: post #4

We're technically still in an ice age [1]. How far does this need to go to reach the end of that ice age [2]? The Cretaceous period was over ten degrees warmer than our current period [3,4,5]. It supported a lot (though much different) biodiversity. How long would it take us to push into these temperature ranges? And how long to exceed them? How much species diversity will we lose at each half degree increment from t…

Climate change deniers tell each other we are coming out of The Little Ice Age that started in 1200AD. Which is technically correct. What they don’t tell each other is that “Little” is an understatement and we shot way past the prior “Medieval Warm Period” long ago and are only accelerating. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age#/media/File%3...

People believe we are coming out of an ice age?

This means they deny climate is changing.

The more you know…

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by wredue »

mindcandy wrote: post #18
echelon wrote: post #4

We're technically still in an ice age [1]. How far does this need to go to reach the end of that ice age [2]? The Cretaceous period was over ten degrees warmer than our current period [3,4,5]. It supported a lot (though much different) biodiversity. How long would it take us to push into these temperature ranges? And how long to exceed them? How much species diversity will we lose at each half degree increment from t…

Climate change deniers tell each other we are coming out of The Little Ice Age that started in 1200AD. Which is technically correct. What they don’t tell each other is that “Little” is an understatement and we shot way past the prior “Medieval Warm Period” long ago and are only accelerating. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age#/media/File%3...

I just checked on them a few days ago.

Their current messaging is back to:

“Climate change is a hoax for science grants and political power”

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