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Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Post by dudul »

Zetice wrote: post #240
orochimaaru wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because a nation should put its citizens interests first. This isn’t a hard concept. There’s plenty of companies though that don’t do h1b. Major telcos, defense contractors (those are us citizen only), a lot of small hedge funds, etc.

No, a nation should not put just its citizens first, that’s nationalistic garbage. Firstly it presumes a nation decides who its citizens are through some fair system, and secondly it presumes its citizens are somehow inherently more deserving than its non citizens. Anyone who agrees to the social contract gets to benefit from the nation. That’s what a country actually is.

You throw a lot of half baked assertions on this thread but it doesn't seem to go anywhere.

Who should a nation put first then?

I dont see the connection between how citizenship is acquired (AFAIK each nation is free to set the rules/laws that they think is fair) and if citizens should get special treatment or not.

If citizens can't get "special" treatment over non resident in their own country what's the point of countries?

How people become residents and what "rights" they have die to this status is part of the "social contract".

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Post by manuelabeledo »

lapcat wrote: post #216

This is a direct link to the article: https://www.leefang.com/p/big-tech-resumed-hiring-foreign-wo... The moneycontrol.com link is merely a summary of that.

The original article is even more misleading. I would expect that it was written by someone with zero knowledge of US immigration policies.

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Post by mrits »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #241
mrits wrote: post #221

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You aren't supposed to take hyperbole literally. I didn't hire H1B workers because I couldn't find Java programmers in the US...

> You aren't supposed to take hyperbole literally. I didn't say "literally", but "seriously". > I didn't hire H1B workers because I couldn't find Java programmers in the US... You are misdirecting your anger at the program, instead of the abusers, which are never FAANG companies but large IT consultancy corporations like Tata. If your company is hiring H-1B visa holders at a rate way below market, they are committing…

I love the program. You are now accusing me of fraud and being a crook when you clearly don't know the first thing about the system that you yourself took advantage of. Good luck with that attitude.

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Post by dboreham »

0xDEF wrote: post #110
mattrighetti wrote: post #83

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Comparing salaries for tech workers in the EU vs H1B in the US does not make a lot of sense. Cost of living, taxation, rents, electricity/gas bills and welfare are completely different.

Fresh of the boat immigrants are not entitled to welfare in Europe. Taxation and electricity/gas bills tend to lower in the US. Rent in Silicon Valley and NYC are definitely a lot higher than anywhere in Europe but those are not the only places with tech jobs.

Dispute that taxes in US are lower. Sales tax is lower than VAT. That's true. But income tax is about the same or higher in the US, in my experience.

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Post by yCombLinks »

gnatman wrote: post #154
eastbound wrote: post #129

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Therefore you are saying that having diversity leads to bullying and that you’re ok with that. It’s always the goal, after all.

That’s actually the opposite of what they’re saying. Lack of diversity leads to bullying.

In corporate and academic America diversity unofficially means not majority white. Further, you're not supposed to acknowledge any sort of ingroup bias of any nonwhite racial group

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

bell-cot wrote: post #148
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #101

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> with the small caveat that the [...] worst [...] pay rates must occur the C suite. It is not uncommon that C suites don't get paid that much money: the big money that they make rather comes from bonuses.

That's fine - so long as the bottom-end H1B's are getting proportional bonuses, stock options, expense accounts, etc., etc.

Introducing this nearly alwats means that if the company has a bad year, the company only pays out a small fraction of the money to the employees that it would in a good year.

The problem is that many employees want the best of the two worlds: a huge bonus in good years and a rather high guaranteed salary.

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Post by manuelabeledo »

horns4lyfe wrote: post #208
rhaway84773 wrote: post #198

This article is a nothingburger. These companies laid off a bunch of people. Some of whom were H1Bs. And they’re hiring a bunch of people. Some of whom are H1Bs. That’s simply a commentary on large companies hiring even after doing layoffs which is pretty standard.

H1B is meant to help companies when they can’t find Americans to hire. They just fired a bunch of Americans, and now they can’t find them?

They fired visa holders too [0]

The article makes it sound like they are replacing Americans with low paid workers, which is absolutely false.

[0] https://www.wsj.com/articles/tech-layoffs-hit-h1b-visa-worke...

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Post by matheusmoreira »

argiopetech wrote: post #127
matheusmoreira wrote: post #52

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It's only exploitation if those workers have to live in the US. Something like 50kUSD/y is laughable to an american but is actually a ridiculous amount of money for a lot of people due to exchange rates. More than worth it so long as they can work remotely without paying US cost of living.

I know plenty of US families who gross less than 50k. They live comfortably, but not extravagantly, and not in California. I also know a handful of people who make less than $25k/yr. They struggle more, but they still get by. $50k/yr, $25/hr may be chump change to a big tech company engineer with a degree from a prestigious university, but it's a very normal hourly (non-overtime) wage (maybe even on the high side) fo…

I think I'm out of touch then. I thought US had high cost of living everywhere and that people would struggle financially unless they made about $100k per year. At least that's the impression I got while reading salary discussions here.

Is this only true in big cities? Is this true at all?

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Post by flappyeagle »

horns4lyfe wrote: post #208
rhaway84773 wrote: post #198

This article is a nothingburger. These companies laid off a bunch of people. Some of whom were H1Bs. And they’re hiring a bunch of people. Some of whom are H1Bs. That’s simply a commentary on large companies hiring even after doing layoffs which is pretty standard.

H1B is meant to help companies when they can’t find Americans to hire. They just fired a bunch of Americans, and now they can’t find them?

Maybe the people they fired were bad?

Re: Google, Meta, Amazon hiring low-paid H1B workers after US layoffs

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Post by chii »

isaacremuant wrote: post #201
chii wrote: post #118

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> if you have to leave the country i mean, this is meant to be a jobs visa. The fact that if you quit said job, you no longer have a reason to be given to stay, seems pretty normal. You are free to leave, it doesn't mean leaving is consequence free.

You're free to try and leave Dubai without a passport, but it's not consequence free. I love when authortiarians use degrees of coercion to say "well technically YOU ARE free. But not free from consequences". It's such a disingenuous line of argumentation.

that's a false equivalency.

When your passport is confiscated, you get arrested at the airport.

When you are tired of your H1B job, you can just leave. The fact that you lose your position in the queue for a potential PR is irrelevant.

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