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Re: AI girlfriend ads are flooding Instagram and TikTok

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Post by whichfawkes »

sho_hn wrote: post #95
commandlinefan wrote: post #91

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> very little of it is desirable attention that doesn't contradict what he said - just that the "undesirable" attention is still more desirable than an AI boyfriend could offer. Whereas an AI girlfriend can tautologically offer more desirable attention than the zero attention a significant percentage of men are able to achieve.

I think a lot of people (be they men or women) might feel more comfortable with being vulnerable and less afraid of being judged, or their secrets and thoughts being exposed or somehow used against them, with AIs than with real people, whether those real people are accessible/attainable for them or not. Perhaps, knowing deep down that it's not real and doesn't have a motive is a feature. Whether they should be more c…

Sufficiently compromised privacy in conjunction with sufficiently sophisticated data markets starts to look a lot like "having a motive", eventually...

How long before your AI girlfriend is sussing out your feelings and desires in the interest of figuring out how you can most effectively be advertised to?

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Post by JambalayaJim »

sho_hn wrote: post #89
0_____0 wrote: post #73

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> ... get the attention they want, minimal effort I...uh, have you asked a woman whether this is true? Like, ask the nearest woman to confirm this and report back. Most women I have spoken to about this can get attention generally, but very little of it is desirable attention. There's also a bias I've noticed where people don't consider women that they don't personally find attractive when talking about these things…

You find this "Women don't have this problem! They can have a relationship whenever they want" sentiment in so many conversations on Hacker News, and it's so unempathetic. The premise is not true for many women. And even if it were, it's not necessarily any easier to get attention from someone you are interested in yourself. And women have to deal with social anxiety, fears of making themselves vulnerable, self-confi…

So how do you explain the discrepancy in these ads? Or the fact that men are more likely to pay on dates, dating apps, or join apps generally?

No one is suggesting that young women don’t struggle whatsoever. What they are suggesting, is that they don’t struggle to the extent that most would consider buying a paid AI companion.

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Post by disambiguation »

nonethewiser wrote: post #69

I might as well be a Christian fundamentalist when it comes to porn. Its irredeemable. I have no hangups about sex. Sex is not bad. Porn is not sex. It’s disturbing to think about a future where porn becomes more immersive and engaging.

Isn't immersive porn in the extreme limit just .. sex? Highly available and accessible sex.

That already exists in a lot of ways.

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Post by nvm0n2 »

EatingWithForks wrote: post #147
ryandrake wrote: post #138

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I think you've figured it mostly out. Both genders desire this sense of companionship, not just women. The difference between the genders (and why there are so many products targeted at men and so few targeted at women) is that due to realities of dating and courtship, this companionship is readily, and disproportionately available to women. So the demand must be much higher for men. I'd be surprised if it wasn't as…

I don't buy that romantic companionship is disproportionately available to women, because evidently fake romance for women is in huge demand already. I don't understand why this particular kind of fake relationship is almost exclusively geared towards men, when Twilight & 50 Shades Of Grey were fake romance for women that made millions of dollars.

Romance books can sell to women already in a relationship, AI bots can't. I think it's probably no more complex than that.

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Post by candiodari »

nonethewiser wrote: post #59
OfSanguineFire wrote: post #22

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> I think this will only further increase the value of the real The images in these ads show women with exaggerated features that one would never find in real life. For some subset of porn consumers, this may actually decrease the value of the real.

That’s a good point. Porn obviously had this effect despite being technically real.

Are men in porn movies realistic?

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Post by candiodari »

naniwaduni wrote: post #48
nkingsy wrote: post #40

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I would worry about normalization of the behavior leading to more people seeking the real thing.

Right, and video games cause violence.

Wait, are you under the impression that do-gooders in the government have given up the outlaw "violent" video games fight?

https://www.wglt.org/show/wglts-sound-ideas/2021-03-08/illin...

Besides the "scientific" consensus is

1) video games do indeed cause violence by a tiny little bit. Not much

And the world's consensus is

2) yeah, we don't care

And the most telling bit about CSAM activists' character is their massive across-the-board support for punitive measures (which if you check turn out to mostly be against minors), and zero support for youth services infrastructure (you know, actually helping victims)

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Post by candiodari »

jstarfish wrote: post #131
tessierashpool wrote: post #115

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well, slow down, there's always tradeoffs. deepfake child porn means that any prosecution or attempt to help the victims now has to go through an additional "was the victim a real human being?" phase, which adds both confusion and expense. add the fact that any system which can generate just one realistic image can also generate 10 million of them, and you get a deluge of deepfakes which could allow the real stuff —…

> deepfake child porn means that any prosecution or attempt to help the victims now has to go through an additional "was the victim a real human being?" phase, which adds both confusion and expense. Where on earth is this true? If you're in the US and involved in that scene, you'd better reread the law. The verbiage was ahead of its time and specifically-phrased to mitigate these very shenanigans: "photorealistic," n…

Yeah what is currently still in doubt is what happens if you do what some websites currently do, and send out the machine learning model, to be run client-side, rather than any actual graphic material.

No doubt the police would want to convict. But that's a problem, because nobody is sure whether their model can't be used to generate things that would be considered CSAM (what does it even mean for an imagined model to be a minor? Now of course the same applies to manga)

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Post by candiodari »

disambiguation wrote: post #163
nonethewiser wrote: post #69

I might as well be a Christian fundamentalist when it comes to porn. Its irredeemable. I have no hangups about sex. Sex is not bad. Porn is not sex. It’s disturbing to think about a future where porn becomes more immersive and engaging.

Isn't immersive porn in the extreme limit just .. sex? Highly available and accessible sex. That already exists in a lot of ways.

The idea is that this lowers the price of sex, by a lot. And not just in money. Which is of course exactly the problem a lot of people have with it.

Re: AI girlfriend ads are flooding Instagram and TikTok

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Post by inSenCite »

The sex work industry has had quite a few interesting disruptions/transitions within a couple of generations.

Vanilla sex work was disrupted by porn, porn by digital distribution of amateur content/gig industry (pornhub, onlyfans etc.), and now the gig work by AI-enabled 'companionship' as they put it.

Insta has more than enough content that is very similar to what these ads are showing (both male and female), so I'm not entirely sure whether it's a "double standard".

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