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Post by jstarfish »

tessierashpool wrote: post #115
causi wrote: post #29

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Gotta say, I was not expecting one of the first casualties of the AI revolution to be most of the CSAM industry, but I'm dang happy about it.

well, slow down, there's always tradeoffs. deepfake child porn means that any prosecution or attempt to help the victims now has to go through an additional "was the victim a real human being?" phase, which adds both confusion and expense. add the fact that any system which can generate just one realistic image can also generate 10 million of them, and you get a deluge of deepfakes which could allow the real stuff —…

> deepfake child porn means that any prosecution or attempt to help the victims now has to go through an additional "was the victim a real human being?" phase, which adds both confusion and expense.

Where on earth is this true?

If you're in the US and involved in that scene, you'd better reread the law. The verbiage was ahead of its time and specifically-phrased to mitigate these very shenanigans: "photorealistic," not "photographic."

One of the fun things people used to do was create a diptych of a child's face next to a scene involving a faceless/cropped-but-legal teen. Technically, no child was harmed, but simply framing it that way runs afoul of US law. We do not fuck around on this.

The UK has convicted people for manga.

> add the fact that any system which can generate just one realistic image can also generate 10 million of them, and you get a deluge of deepfakes which could allow the real stuff — the kind that also functions as criminal evidence — to hide in plain sight.

Hahaha. Considering the above, I would advise against generating and possessing 10 million photorealistic CSAM images.

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Post by 14 »

moneywoes wrote: post #125
14 wrote: post #52

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Honest question, why not just go see an escort service? They exist in every major city. They will not break the bank on a single experience (though it can be very easy to get hooked). Or why not go to something like only fans and pay for an hour of time and just role play with an actual girl over webcam? They have heard and seen it all there is nothing you can say that will embarrass or gross them out as long as you…

I doubt those are real women on the other end of those OF conversations

It is a video call if you want. Not really anyway to fake it.

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Post by 14 »

avgcorrection wrote: post #93
14 wrote: post #52

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Honest question, why not just go see an escort service? They exist in every major city. They will not break the bank on a single experience (though it can be very easy to get hooked). Or why not go to something like only fans and pay for an hour of time and just role play with an actual girl over webcam? They have heard and seen it all there is nothing you can say that will embarrass or gross them out as long as you…

How is this a “just”? This is illegal in many places and costs money. And you have to get out of your home and risk exposing the fact that you are doing tAbOo stuff. > I am just struggling to see the draw to an AI chat bot knowing it is just fake. Unlike

In most places prostitution is illegal. Brothels and escorts have largely been decriminalized. Pay your taxes and no one cares.

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Post by scarmig »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #63
EatingWithForks wrote: post #53

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I don't think so, actually. Dealing with real men (through a dating app) means dealing with flawed humans beings in a way that simply doesn't happen in a romance book, same as dealing with real women vs OnlyFans. Men sleep, disagree, forget anniversaries and birthdays, negotiate compromises, and can fall out of love in a way an AI boyfriend wouldn't. Just like real women vs AI girlfriend. So I just don't know why onl…

I think you're also hitting on part of the vein of why. Men (primarily) are not falling in love with their ai girlfriends, they are falling in lust. Note that the most prominent AI girlfriend/generator things focus on looks, not on if she will nurture you back to health after getting a bad cold or laid off.

> Note that the most prominent AI girlfriend/generator things focus on looks

I'd be curious if that's actually true. After all, there's porn for something purely based on looks, and where OnlyFans models make most of their money is by combining the looks with simulated emotional intimacy. Are the popular AI girlfriends purely sexbots, or is a primary part of their appeal that they offer simulacra of intimacy?

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Post by jstarfish »

gostsamo wrote: post #109
jstarfish wrote: post #70

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> Porn is cheap gratification without deeper emotional connection. I don't think that people can grow without being challenged by others and AI cannot be programmed to challenge us. I disagree. The potential is there, it just takes someone willing to do it. The incentives all align with making sexbots since they provide instant gratification. In reality, it's surrogacy-turned-dependence. There is a time and place for…

I actually agree with you. Technology could be a multiplier and an enabler if it is a medium for communication instead of an insulator from difficulties. I might be a bit cynical though because I suspect that people would use it the easier way. I hope that I'm wrong and the optimism which ruled the internet until the early 2010 would prevail at the end.

I look at it from the "AI won't replace jobs, it will augment workers" angle. It can't and shouldn't replace meaningful human interaction. But it can be used to help facilitate them.

If experience has taught me anything, it's that all tech optimizes for the worst possible application. Experience has also taught me that you can't save everyone, especially from an ideology. But we can try to leverage tech to save the ones that want saving. It's the best anyone can do.

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Post by aenis »

gostsamo wrote: post #17
siva7 wrote: post #9

Hope this tech will end loneliness in some people

It will increase it. Porn is cheap gratification without deeper emotional connection. I don't think that people can grow without being challenged by others and AI cannot be programmed to challenge us.

[citation required] on people not being able to challenge themselves - and AI being unable to "challenge" humans. I sure can think of evidence to the contrary.

Also, having had a long life, I have to say real sex is quite often also devoid of "deeper emotional connections". YMMV I am sure, but thats often just ..fun?

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Post by ryandrake »

EatingWithForks wrote: post #106
decafninja wrote: post #100

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All of those "simulate" not just a companion, but the whole relationship scenario, which I've been told is what women are attracted to? Whereas men are simpler creatures attracted to any woman that is visually hot. The former is a lot harder to implement than the latter.

But the whole relationship scenario exactly what you'd want an AI partner for, is my bafflement. If I want porn I have plenty of free stuff on PornHub et al. There's no reason to get an intelligent anything, artificial or not, if I actually just want generated fap material. It's obviously selling companionship as well as porn, which is definitely more what I see in erotica, which I already know is fairly formuliac as…

I think you've figured it mostly out. Both genders desire this sense of companionship, not just women. The difference between the genders (and why there are so many products targeted at men and so few targeted at women) is that due to realities of dating and courtship, this companionship is readily, and disproportionately available to women. So the demand must be much higher for men. I'd be surprised if it wasn't as simple as that.

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Post by antisthenes »

0_____0 wrote: post #73
whichfawkes wrote: post #45

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Women can more readily get the kind of attention they want, with minimal effort. Getting emotionally invested in an AI seems to me like it would go hand in hand with giving up on human relationships. I'm pretty sure men are more likely to do that than women.

> ... get the attention they want, minimal effort I...uh, have you asked a woman whether this is true? Like, ask the nearest woman to confirm this and report back. Most women I have spoken to about this can get attention generally, but very little of it is desirable attention. There's also a bias I've noticed where people don't consider women that they don't personally find attractive when talking about these things…

> Like, ask the nearest woman to confirm this and report back.

You can test this yourself trivially on any dating app pretending to be a woman. In fact this is the purest form of the test, because there's 0 chance of anyone else misreporting their experiences.

> Most women I have spoken to about this can get attention generally, but very little of it is desirable attention.

I think in the dating market, most attention for both sexes is undesirable. However, since women receive comparatively more attention, they are much more likely to receive at least some attention that is desirable.

> There's also a bias I've noticed where people don't consider women that they don't personally find attractive when talking about these things - they're basically invisible.

Wait till you find out how big that bias is in the other direction.

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Post by ntlk »

jstarfish wrote: post #70
gostsamo wrote: post #17

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It will increase it. Porn is cheap gratification without deeper emotional connection. I don't think that people can grow without being challenged by others and AI cannot be programmed to challenge us.

> Porn is cheap gratification without deeper emotional connection. I don't think that people can grow without being challenged by others and AI cannot be programmed to challenge us. I disagree. The potential is there, it just takes someone willing to do it. The incentives all align with making sexbots since they provide instant gratification. In reality, it's surrogacy-turned-dependence. There is a time and place for…

Human therapists certainly do challenge their clients, at least in my experience. Mine certainly did challenge me frequently, and many of my friends brought up being challenged by theirs.
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