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> My tinfoil hat theory is that they find it harder to hack iPhones to monitor their government officials. It is a fact that certain US agencies required Blackberry or Android, rather than iOS on iPhone, for this reason.

I believe this is no longer true. iOS devices are allowed in the DoD, for example.

iPhones can be supervised and/or enrolled in MDM that allows for very high-granularity control of settings and logging etc

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>Reached critical mass, or even world-dominating: Nokia, RIM, Figma, Skype, Spotify, Hetzner Not even close. All of those are meh in terms of market cap and have plenty of competition making them easily replaceable by US alternatives. The likes of Apple, Nvidia, Office365, Google, are irreplaceable in the EU, and they could buy all of those companies if they wanted to.

Arm powers a lot of the devices from these companies

Yes, and? How much money does arm make for the EU economy? How much money do Apple and Nvidia make for the US economy?

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This just seems like a logical reaction to unknown supply chain attacks. The DoD has restrictions on acquisition of Chinese hardware, for example. Some HN posters believe that this is a tit-for-tat move regarding the Huawei sales ban, which is hardly comparable, as Huawei hardware cannot be legally distributed or sold by US companies.

> This just seems like a logical reaction to unknown supply chain attacks

or to Pegasus ? When the OS runs everything it gets as a stream of bytes...

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I’m getting second hand embarrassment watching you try win an argument you lost decisively 3 replies ago. Your comment: “Huawei hardware cannot be legally distributed or sold by US companies.” You were dead wrong. Just admit it, it’s not personal. “Does the fact that I bought it from an US website, mean that Sony is effectively selling this gadget in the US? Of course not, that's ridiculous.” You can’t be this naive.…

Huh? This FCC document clearly states exactly what it's banning: https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-389524A1.pdf https://www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlist "Telecommunications equipment produced by Huawei Technologies Company, including telecommunications or video surveillance services provided by such entity or using such equipment." Phones are a part of telecommunications equipment.

The definition of telecommunications equipment is:

The term “telecommunications equipment” means equipment used by a carrier to provide telecommunications services, and includes software integral to such equipment (including upgrades).

I don't think that includes phones. That is routing/switching hardware and software. I.e., infrastructure equipment, not consumer devices.

Re: China Bans iPhone Use for Government Officials at Work

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post #134

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Huh? This FCC document clearly states exactly what it's banning: https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-389524A1.pdf https://www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlist "Telecommunications equipment produced by Huawei Technologies Company, including telecommunications or video surveillance services provided by such entity or using such equipment." Phones are a part of telecommunications equipment.

The definition of telecommunications equipment is: The term “telecommunications equipment” means equipment used by a carrier to provide telecommunications services, and includes software integral to such equipment (including upgrades). I don't think that includes phones. That is routing/switching hardware and software. I.e., infrastructure equipment, not consumer devices.

The definition applies to terminals. The FCC routinely uses the term to refer to terminals, e.g. [0]

Also, in the same paragraph, you can read that they explicitly mention “video surveillance services” as telecommunications equipment, which are terminals as well.

[0] https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-90-133A1.pdf

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> I don't see any EU, Canadian or Australian designed smart-phones, Office365, Google, Chat-GPT, AWS, I can buy reaching critical mass. ... EU, Canada, and the rest of the west are lacking in world dominating SW companies and rely exclusively on the US, which the US can always use as leverage. Reached critical mass, or even world-dominating: Nokia, RIM, Figma, Skype, Spotify, Hetzner > the US dominates ... by buying…

pretty sure figma is american

You're right and I can't think who I was thinking of in the web design space.

Re: China Bans iPhone Use for Government Officials at Work

#147

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> I don't see any EU, Canadian or Australian designed smart-phones, Office365, Google, Chat-GPT, AWS, I can buy reaching critical mass. ... EU, Canada, and the rest of the west are lacking in world dominating SW companies and rely exclusively on the US, which the US can always use as leverage. Reached critical mass, or even world-dominating: Nokia, RIM, Figma, Skype, Spotify, Hetzner > the US dominates ... by buying…

>Reached critical mass, or even world-dominating: Nokia, RIM, Figma, Skype, Spotify, Hetzner Not even close. All of those are meh in terms of market cap and have plenty of competition making them easily replaceable by US alternatives. The likes of Apple, Nvidia, Office365, Google, are irreplaceable in the EU, and they could buy all of those companies if they wanted to.

Not present tense.

Point is whether EU could reach critical mass or domination, not whether could sustain. In their day, RIM (Canada) for biz and Nokia (EU) for normies destroyed US mobile sales.

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#148

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> My tinfoil hat theory is that they find it harder to hack iPhones to monitor their government officials. It is a fact that certain US agencies required Blackberry or Android, rather than iOS on iPhone, for this reason.

I believe this is no longer true. iOS devices are allowed in the DoD, for example.

I was careful to use past tense, as it was a fact, but I don't know now.

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#149

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Most big US HW/SW companies do have a significant presence in Europe and some other places like Israel, it's not like Europe has a lack of engineers and scientists capable of building this stuff, they are just mostly working for US companies

> it's not like Europe has a lack of engineers and scientists capable of building this stuff That wasn't my point. We have engineers, but we have no local champions. ASML, SAP and Spotify can't balance out what the US has. >they are just mostly working for US companies THAT was my point. Europe has a lack of local top tech companies and our brightest minds are working to build up the US tech sector instead of the dom…

Glad that at least some tech people here in Europe are aware of how things stand when it comes to technology and to our economic future (which depends on said tech).

Just the other day I was saying to a person close to me of how right now the world economy is splitting into two separate future growth camps, China and the US, with Europe left somewhere in a stagnating middle.

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#150

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Opinions like this are largely from new cold war propaganda, but also projection. The US spys on everyone everywhere. PRISM for example. Pegasus being another.

Pegasus isn’t American. Also, China has the capability to spy on everyone and their government is morally worse so of course they are. Social credit, concentration camps, etc

Strongly disagree. It's Israeli, but minor difference. The US has PRISM and newer operations that are just as if not more advanced. Can you show anything China has done. That's remotely close to what the US has done in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Indonesia, Panama, Grenada, Philippines, Japan, Yugoslavia, Laos, Cambodia, Guatemala, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, and the thousands of regime change operations the US has conducted? The US also incarcerates more people than any other country in the history of the world. We also have more murders by police than nearly any other country and far more than China. I can go on.
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