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Re: Mojo is available for local download

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Post by osigurdson »

qwertox wrote: post #56
dang wrote: post #50

Related. Others? How Mojo gets a speedup over Python – Part 2 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37307260 - Aug 2023 (63 comments) Mojo gets a speedup over Python – Part 1 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37294001 - Aug 2023 (3 comments) Introduction to Mojo Language - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37200400 - Aug 2023 (3 comments) Guido van Rossum feedback to Chris Lattner on Mojo programming languag…

Chris Lattner: Future of Programming and AI – Lex Fridman Podcast #381 [video] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36173382 - June 2023 (1 comment) While it didn't get traction, it's a good interview which talks a lot about the language.

I literally could not sleep after listening to that podcast. This is very exciting!

Re: Mojo is available for local download

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Post by ioedward »

TradingPlaces wrote: post #16
smacke wrote: post #9

Didn't try downloading the SDK yet, but in the playground, seems like the "Python superset" advertisement does not hold (trying to define a class gives "error: classes not implemented yet"). Great to see progress in this space but I think the real killer feature of Mojo would be to run any existing Python program and allow programmers to incrementally adopt Mojo's syntax for targeted optimizations, and seems like we'…

It’s a PyTorch superset and they aim to be a full python superset eventually

Not at all, PyTorch uses sub-classing (nn.Module) and other Pythonic features heavily that are not supported with Mojo.

Re: Mojo is available for local download

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Post by s3v »

mindB wrote: post #2

Still not open-source it looks like [2]. I'm not willing to create an account right now. Can someone who has an account post what the pricing looks like if any? I'd also be curious what other agreements you have to make other than the terms of service[1] you agree to when making an account. [1] https://modular.com/terms [2] https://github.com/modularml/mojo/blob/5823e1d9d176916c236c5...

Make your own account. And pricing? What are you talking about?

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Post by WanderPanda »

nxobject wrote: post #128
derbOac wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see why they might wait to open-source things, but I guess part of what gives me pause is the "parts of Mojo" statement, as in "we expect to open-source core parts of Mojo." Not "we expect to open-source Mojo", but "parts of Mojo".

Yeah – I'll wait to see how that spins out. I'm under the impression that they're making their $$$ from AI tooling, so I'm sure there will be some "secret sauce" optimisation tools that'll be held back from public release.

In my understand the sauce they want to sell is the multiprocessing/cluster management software that builds on top of Mojo. If they do it like that it would be fair game imo

Re: Mojo is available for local download

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Post by WanderPanda »

ayhanfuat wrote: post #107
chubot wrote: post #103

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What’s unclear about it? It’s a closed source product by a for profit company It would be nice if it were open source, but I don’t see anything that’s unclear about the IP.

How license will evolve is unclear. I personally don't mind it starting closed to figure out a contribution model or whatever they want to sort out as long as they have clear commitment. However, the current statement for open source is so vague that I don't want to invest time on it.

Isn’t the whole point that you don’t invest time in it but just switch over your python project and then optimize it in a ship of theseus manner?

Re: Mojo is available for local download

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Post by WanderPanda »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #13
graypegg wrote: post #11

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Something feels so... off about this. It's a closed source product (I think? I see no where to contribute) so I can imagine the need for walling off local dev tools until they're ready for prime time, but it doesn't even seem like they are ready. They'll have you sign up before downloading some blackbox SDK that half-implements a language that they pinky-promise they won't abandon and you have no recourse to recover…

Yeah, when they first announced Mojo I thought it would take a lot of wind out of Julia's sails, but I'm starting to think that's not going to be the case. Title should probably be changed to "Mojo: It's kind'a, partly here"

Yes especially because Julia has quite good Python interoperability

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Post by pavelstoev »

phillipcarter wrote: post #29

Really excited about Mojo, but not very excited about being fully closed source. I understand not going OSS right now if there's still a lot of churn expected, but I think that can be worked around: 1. Just because something is OSS doesn't mean the public is entitled to defining the roadmap or design decisions. If you set working norms up front and make it clear who has decision-making power and why, people will deci…

which is why we created Hidet, open-source deep learning compiler, written in Python and which can be easily extended to create all kinds of ML projects (wink, wink) with support for Nvidia GPUs. I am still looking for information on Mojo support of Nvidia GPUs, de-facto compute standard for modern AI/ML.

https://docs.hidet.org/stable/gallery/developer-guides/hidet...

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Post by mathisfun123 »

qaq wrote: post #140
mathisfun123 wrote: post #129

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man two days ago when i said their promise of compatibility with python was startup hype i got no traction. like duh they'll over-promise and underdeliver - it's chapter 1 of every single SV playbook.

Have you looked at the team? This is pretty early in the development

> Have you looked at the team?

i am friends/former co-workers with several people on the "team". doesn't mean i can't/won't/shouldn't call out startup hype when i see it. and again: the criticism has been borne out because this comment chain is off an example of an epic fail.

> This is pretty early in the development

you don't applaud someone that says they're going to do something just because they're fancy. like is this even up for debate? at such later date and time where they deliver i will be first in line to congratulate them (maybe even as a user) but not until then.

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Post by qaq »

mathisfun123 wrote: post #148
qaq wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you looked at the team? This is pretty early in the development

> Have you looked at the team? i am friends/former co-workers with several people on the "team". doesn't mean i can't/won't/shouldn't call out startup hype when i see it. and again: the criticism has been borne out because this comment chain is off an example of an epic fail. > This is pretty early in the development you don't applaud someone that says they're going to do something just because they're fancy. like is…

I don't see hype they outlined a roadmap and are working on it. Not sure what fancy means in this context. Swift Objective-C story is pretty much inline with this work. Come to think of it I don't really remember Chris not delivering on a project. If fancy means people who created and delivered on multiple very challenging projects I guess they are fancy.

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Post by pavelstoev »

version_five wrote: post #115
danielvaughn wrote: post #82

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Yeah I believe the actual quoted figure was "35,000 times faster than Python". It's a silly metric either way.

I have never taken them seriously precisely because of this statement. They are a machine learning specific language and everyone who works in machine learning knows the speedup is cherry picked bullshit. If they're basing their marketing around an obviously false claim, why would I take a closer look?

The claim is likely not false just like a horse pulling a buggy is several orders of magnitude faster than a snail.
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