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Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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Post by hospitalJail »

epiccoleman wrote: post #34
hospitalJail wrote: post #13

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Worried is a weird word when we are talking about Nintendo. Nintendo is scummy AF advertising/marketing to children and their constant abuse of fans for playing recreationally with IP. Nintendo is probably a negative externality given their marketing to children. To this day, I still have a mental illness of obsession to their games, and I hate playing them.

> Nintendo is scummy AF advertising/marketing to children and their constant abuse of fans for playing recreationally with IP. This is really not my experience. To my eye they don't seem to be engaged in the majority of the awful practices around marketing that are pervasive in tech today. As for the "constant abuse of fans" thing - is Nintendo really that different from any other company who has to protect their IP…

>To my eye they don't seem to be engaged in the majority of the awful practices around marketing

You literally arent their target demographic. Children too young to understand marketing are.

Unless you are a kid, you wouldn't be targeted.

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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Post by hospitalJail »

arghwhat wrote: post #50
hospitalJail wrote: post #13

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Worried is a weird word when we are talking about Nintendo. Nintendo is scummy AF advertising/marketing to children and their constant abuse of fans for playing recreationally with IP. Nintendo is probably a negative externality given their marketing to children. To this day, I still have a mental illness of obsession to their games, and I hate playing them.

And I fondly remember playing Nintendo games as a kid and still do to this day some 25 years later with recent titles. Could the 120 hours-and-counting in TOTK have been spent more productively? Sure, but it's nothing compared to the time people spend watching TV series. Was every moment spent farming stuff for upgrades super fun? Not really, but I was not held captive and nothing in life is uninterrupted enjoyment.…

>Could the 120 hours-and-counting in TOTK have been spent more productively?

Its not a productivity thing, it's a manipulation thing. Zelda games have been getting worse since Wind Waker, yet we continue to play them. They arent fun, we are just under the control of Nintendo.

Chatgpt said we do this because of FOMO and Nostalgia.

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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Post by viraptor »

mattl wrote: post #43
viraptor wrote: post #33

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There's nothing preventing them from serving recompiled versions from the store though, right? As long as the behaviour is the same, they could have two different versions behind the scenes for the first party games (Mario, Zelda).

Not sure how that would handle physical games? The cart just acts as a key and the game is downloaded?

Possibly. But also it's Nintendo, so the answer could be "you're going to buy the game again and you're going to like it".

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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Post by arghwhat »

hospitalJail wrote: post #82
arghwhat wrote: post #50

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And I fondly remember playing Nintendo games as a kid and still do to this day some 25 years later with recent titles. Could the 120 hours-and-counting in TOTK have been spent more productively? Sure, but it's nothing compared to the time people spend watching TV series. Was every moment spent farming stuff for upgrades super fun? Not really, but I was not held captive and nothing in life is uninterrupted enjoyment.…

>Could the 120 hours-and-counting in TOTK have been spent more productively? Its not a productivity thing, it's a manipulation thing. Zelda games have been getting worse since Wind Waker, yet we continue to play them. They arent fun, we are just under the control of Nintendo. Chatgpt said we do this because of FOMO and Nostalgia.

"Manipulation". Is writing jokes designed to make you laugh manipulation? Making games designed for me to enjoy - including if this involves the pleasant sensation of nostalgia - is not something I see reason to complain about.

Sure, wind waker is a good game, but I had much more fun playing BotW on master mode. I have yet to finish TotK, so we'll have that one ends up comparing.

So say what you want, it won't change that I'm having voluntary fun playing these games over here.

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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Post by epiccoleman »

hospitalJail wrote: post #81
epiccoleman wrote: post #34

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> Nintendo is scummy AF advertising/marketing to children and their constant abuse of fans for playing recreationally with IP. This is really not my experience. To my eye they don't seem to be engaged in the majority of the awful practices around marketing that are pervasive in tech today. As for the "constant abuse of fans" thing - is Nintendo really that different from any other company who has to protect their IP…

>To my eye they don't seem to be engaged in the majority of the awful practices around marketing You literally arent their target demographic. Children too young to understand marketing are. Unless you are a kid, you wouldn't be targeted.

I have kids, who have Nintendo consoles, and who like Nintendo's games, and I pay pretty close attention to their net usage and what they see on their consoles.

It might well be the case that I'm enough a firewall that their sinister marketing isn't making it into my home, but I haven't personally seen it. I'd be interested to hear more specific examples of what you mean.

I'm not claiming they're not doing anything wrong, just that it's not consistent with my own experience of Nintendo. Their console seems to be more respectful of my kids than most other platforms (although the fact that there's not a good way to block the Youtube app is a glaring omission - you can password protect the eShop and prevent it from making it onto their device in the first place, but there should really be a way to block a specific application, and nothing I've tried in their parental controls has worked).

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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Post by bakugo »

smoldesu wrote: post #60
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> better acceleration for modern features like DLSS, ML and ray tracing I hope none of this makes it into the next Switch. It's already enough that these things are completely ruining PC game performance, I don't want to buy a console in 2023 that can only play games at 480p upscaled.

To each their own. In fairness to the current Switch, frame upscaling via FSR already exists in everything from DOOM to Tears of the Kingdom . You may already be playing upscaled 480p games. The point of naming those technologies was mostly just to spitball different things Nintendo and Nvidia might be interested in. It's hard to say what they focus on for the next generation.

> frame upscaling via FSR already exists in everything from DOOM to Tears of the Kingdom. You may already be playing upscaled 480p games.

I know, and those games look awful unless you're playing them on a tiny screen or sitting far away from it. 1080p screens were standard 10+ years ago, and rendering games natively at that resolution and 60fps was easily done on any decent PC of the time, even if sometimes you sometimes had to turn down the quality settings a bit.

An entire decade later, I think it's unacceptable to release games that cannot be played at native 1080p 60fps on current gen hardware. DLSS & co. are simply being used as excuses by developers to not properly optimize their games (in some cases, releasing games that struggle to run on the best available hardware, see Starfield), and they will never look as good as native resolution.

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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Post by hospitalJail »

epiccoleman wrote: post #85
hospitalJail wrote: post #81

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>To my eye they don't seem to be engaged in the majority of the awful practices around marketing You literally arent their target demographic. Children too young to understand marketing are. Unless you are a kid, you wouldn't be targeted.

I have kids, who have Nintendo consoles, and who like Nintendo's games, and I pay pretty close attention to their net usage and what they see on their consoles. It might well be the case that I'm enough a firewall that their sinister marketing isn't making it into my home, but I haven't personally seen it. I'd be interested to hear more specific examples of what you mean. I'm not claiming they're not doing anything w…

This sounds like you (and/or your kids) were successfully marketed to by Nintendo.

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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Post by epiccoleman »

hospitalJail wrote: post #87
epiccoleman wrote: post #85

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I have kids, who have Nintendo consoles, and who like Nintendo's games, and I pay pretty close attention to their net usage and what they see on their consoles. It might well be the case that I'm enough a firewall that their sinister marketing isn't making it into my home, but I haven't personally seen it. I'd be interested to hear more specific examples of what you mean. I'm not claiming they're not doing anything w…

This sounds like you (and/or your kids) were successfully marketed to by Nintendo.

This isn't really worth arguing, but I'll bite.

Where's the marketing in what I've said? They make good games. Their console isn't full of ads or micro transactions or other bullshit. They made good games when I was a kid and they still do now. The console is more family friendly than the other two big ones.

Do they market to kids? Of course. They make big budget kids movies. They sell t shirts and posters and toys. But I'm just not seeing what's so sinister here.

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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Post by ActionHank »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #26
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Man, if it could just run the store properly I would be happy.

Part of that is that the entire OS, including the Store, runs on one CPU core. Makes sense - that’s how you open the store quickly to think, “should I buy this DLC?” and then change your mind. This is also why the background music for some games plays while you are browsing the Store. Games run on the remaining three CPU cores at all times. A more technical reason for this was that this prevented the need to implemen…

Whilst those are all entirely valid technical reasons, I as a customer do not care at all and it is a bad experience. Not bad enough that it affects them financially, but just something that stands out on an otherwise incredibly polished product.

Re: Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom

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Post by jamespo »

kouteiheika wrote: post #32
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I have to imagine the Steam Deck playing in the same price bracket (the refurb base model was going for $320), Nintendo _may_ feel the pressure to support backwards compatibility. Why buy a new device and Breath of the Wild over again when you could just get a Deck and play a large % of ever PC game to have ever existed? Nintendo is also in a different position this time around, as the WiiU, DS, 3DS, etc had such dif…

> Why buy a new device and Breath of the Wild over again when you could just get a Deck and play a large % of ever PC game to have ever existed? ...and still be able to play Breath of the Wild on it. (Although, to be fail, the mainstream user probably won't be doing that.)

if you enjoy terrible performance for switch games, playing them on a SD is one way to do it
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